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Does Consciousness Reincarnate?

By Francis Lucille · Francis Lucille

23mTranscribedNon-duality, ConsciousnessIndexed May 2026
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A past-life regressionist asks Lucille about reincarnation. He distinguishes the body from consciousness and suggests that consciousness 'in-consciousnesses' successive bodies and minds rather than transmigrating through them — a localized experience rather than a continuous traveler.

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I am curious to know your thoughts about the  nature of reincarnation. There's no beginning,   no end. I am a past life regressionist and  I've been doing that for quite some time,   but I feel like I'm in conflict because of  my studies for the past couple of years. My interpretation of the teachings  from non-duality teachers,   sometimes I feel like there is  no beginning, there's no end.   There have been no other true past  experiences, it's just... or is it just consciousness having a localized experience  called me in the 1800s, me in year 3060,   which of course is through time and space. So  part, I feel sometimes when people come to me   and they want to experience themselves back into  a past life or a future life or in another realm,   dimension, galaxy, cosmos, I'm I try  to meet my clients where they're at,   but I sometimes I feel like a fraud because in  this I don't know mind, none of us know. So,   I guess my again my question is just what  are your thoughts on reincarnation? What   I thought I believed, I question everything  and... Well in order to answer your question,   I need to understand your question. Okay.  And in order to understand your question,   I need for you to clarify two points for me.  Number one, what is it that reincarnates?   Number two, what is the definition of  reincarnation? Can you answer these two questions? What do you mean by reincarnation? And what  is it? In fact, it's only one question I   have. What do you mean by reincarnation?  And then as you define reincarnation,   make sure that you clarify for  me, what it is that reincarnates. What reincarnates is consciousness knowing itself  through contemplation of an experience, is how I   understand it to be. How...well I used to believe  it to be and so this experience I'm having right   now is called Lorie, I might have had another  experience... Okay you answered the question,   'what reincarnates?' is consciousness  right? Yes. What does reincarnate mean? To have a conscious awareness of another  experience. I keep going back to that. But that's what awareness does for a living so to speak, right? Awareness  has conscious experience of stuff. Yes. So,   then yes, consciousness reincarnates from moment   to moment. And from sentient  being to sentient being. Yeah. I've answered my own question. But  it's very different from saying I was Napoleon or Julius Caesar in a past  life, right? No. Because as consciousness,  you have been Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Hitler and  all the billions of people and all the billions   of sentient beings. So you are not just Julius  Caesar or Napoleon, right? Right. You are... you are everything. But even that, the  word to reincarnate assumes implicitly   that if consciousness reincarnates, it means  that consciousness goes inside a new body, right? Incarnate, to be in  the flesh, to go inside. And   that is kind of predicated upon the  belief that consciousness is in our body. That consciousness is incarnated right now, in  this incarnation called Francis or...right? Right.   But if we ask more deeply ourselves, what does  this mean? What does it mean? Is it my experience that I, whatever it is that perceives  this body, is inside this body? What   does it mean? I can understand if I ingest  a banana, the banana goes inside my body,   right? That's clear because I can  see it coming in. But in order to   make the statement that consciousness  in is in the body, as I said yesterday,   it's like the tea in the cup. I have to see the  body, I have to see consciousness, I have to see   consciousness inside the body. Yeah. It's not our  experience. So to say... our experience is that at some point, our body  appeared to our consciousness. So it's not really incarnation. It's not that consciousness gets incarnated  in the body, but it's rather that   the body gets 'in-consciousnessed', you know, 'in-consciousnessing' meaning the parallel  or the opposite of incarnating, right? It   gets 'in-consciousnessed'. The body gets...  the world gets 'in-consciousnessed' at some   point when we become aware of the world. The mind  gets 'in-consciousnessed' when we have a thought. The body gets 'in-consciousnessed'  when we have a bodily sensation. The   world gets 'in-consciousnessed'  when we have a sense perception. So, it would be okay to say that it seems   that consciousness incarnates itself from  moment to moment in all sentient beings. It's an approximation that makes sense. But in all of them, not  just in Julius Cesar and Francis Lucille, although I have some Italian roots, but  it doesn't mean that I am an incarnation   of... You know what I was funny that  people who get reincarnated, you know,   they never get reincarnated as John  Doe. It's not prestigious enough,   you know. It's always... Grandiose. Always  a consequential reincarnation, right? Yeah. I've had clients ask me this question over and  over and over again, and I'd like to share the   question and my answer and just get your thoughts  on that and that will conclude my... Don't worry   if we have time. Go ahead. Okay. So I will have  clients that, when they drop down into that   very deeply somnambulistic beta brainwave state  where the egoic conscious mind can kind of fall   to the wayside, and they're able to tap into their  inner knowing better, as is, as is can be the case   through perhaps meditation also. And they will  again have these clear descriptive experiences or   as they call remembrances of being a dragon, being  Hitler, what have you. Or they will start speaking   Japanese and they've never spoken Japanese  before, quite fluently and they're astounded   that they're speaking these foreign languages.  Sometimes they will call it the Star language,   that is very unfamiliar to human language,  but all different types of experiences and they ask me how am I able to...where am I tapping  into all of this? And my response, because this   has been my understanding, is they're tapping into  this universal consciousness of all experiences. Yes, I mean there are  phenomena that are not easily,   that cannot be easily explained by current science. Yeah. That's obvious. Although also it remains to be seen often whether when  people go in some kind of trance and they speak   certain language, it would  be interesting to have this   verified by someone who actually speaks  Japanese or whatever language they are   speaking because they can be delusional.  They can, they can be in this condition almost certain that they are  speaking Japanese where in fact   they are saying...you know? And I can...  clients confirm that with a Japanese speaking person and they got the  interpretation, you know of what or,   you know, the description of what they were  saying because they wanted to understand. And   so it seems to be legitimate. And so... That's  an interesting an interesting occurrence that,   that... You know there are phenomena that are  not explained by the current science. I mean,   we don't we don't have a good explanation for  dark matter or the acceleration of the expansion   of the Universe. There are many things... you  know there are and as Shakespeare used to say,   "There are more things in heaven in earth,  Horatio, than in your philosophy". So it's a...   there is a big, big unknown out there and we only  have access to it through a very, very tiny window   of the mind and yeah there are phenomena like that  in which it seems that we tap into something that   Carl Jung defined as the collective in conscious  or whatever, you know. The realm of archetypes.   Right. And the question... Yeah there are other  form of existence than matter, and there are forms   of existence where perhaps time doesn't elapse.  The world for instance of mathematical ideas. Let's say the number pi. Let's assume  that in a distant galaxy there is an   intelligent species even brighter  than us, much brighter than us, and they have come to develop mathematics because  they live on a planet very similar to ours. And   they started with the geometry and you know  trying to measure the area of their fields,   you know. And they have developed that, and so  that they have developed a geometry on their own. And of course, calculating the area  of a circle. They are smart remember,   they have come up with the number pi. Now  where did that come from? Because the number   pi doesn't exist anywhere in nature. You see?  There is not a a perfect circle in nature.   So the number pi exists only, as far  as we know, in human minds. But it   it's clear to me that in the case, in the  hypothetical case, of this extraterrestrial they wouldn't have come up with a  different value for the number pi.   You know it will still be 1... .14159  [3.1459...] etc. It will still be the   same the same value exactly the same. So the  question is, because it was discovered by two   species who never had connected with each other,  because they were separated too much right? And   why did they come up with the same number, with  the same thing? The only reasonable explanation is   that it existed somewhere and it was discovered  by one and by the other you see? So what kind   of existence do mathematical ideas have you  know? And it's a different world, if you will,   to which we have access when we do mathematics and  we understand each other we have access to this   realm. And there are other elements like that... serendipities, coincidences that are too   far-fetched to be a coincidence.  You know the story of Carl Jung who,   whom you know. I don't know in English the  name of this insect, scarab, scarab? Oh   scarab. Scarab. Yeah. So he was having a session  with one of his patients. And this patient,   she tells him that a dream she had of a scarab,  a golden scarab that appeared in her dream. And this type of scarab didn't really  exist on this place of the Earth,   you know, in Europe, wherever it was. And as  she says that, there is an insect on the window trying to get out. And Jung goes there and it was  a golden scarab or a scarab of exactly this type.   You know, that's an extraordinary synchronicity.  You see, so there are all kinds of events that cannot be accounted for in any  reasonable fashion using the... not only the current scientific knowledge, but  even using the current rational assumptions of   science as a whole you see? So we could  call them almost extra-scientific or...   so I'm not denying this, right? The  point however is this. Who cares? Yeah.   You see? It depends how we take these  events. Who cares about whether I am   a reincarnation of Julius Caesar and  all of a sudden I start saying... It's just my Italian roots, right? It  doesn't... what does it give us? Okay,   fine. That exists. You know, America exists,  the new world exists, Mars exists. There are   all kinds of things to be discovered. But that  doesn't answer the fundamental question about: what's the goal of life,  what's the meaning of life, where do we come from, where are we going,  what am I, what is happiness? You see? What   is peace? What is death? These fundamental  questions are not answer by any of these   stories. They are interesting in so  far that they tell us that is there   is something deeper in the background,  you see? That there is... it's kind of it's kind of God playing hide and seek with us. You know it's like Krishna playing with the Gopis.   We are the Gopis and Krishna is  consciousness playing with us. It's interesting what I hear  predominantly over the years,   in the hundreds of clients that  I've seen, and I only see people   one time. And it's so interesting to  me that I will hear almost verbatim, the description of who we are is, we're simply  source consciousness. And we are they... I hear,   scratch off the word human and replace it  with experiencer. You simply came here to   have experiences, simply for the fact to  have the experience but to also remember   who you are and to continue walking in  that for the rest of the days of your   life to the best degree that you  can. So we are just experiencers. We are not experiencers. We are the only experiencer there is because there  is only one experiencer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's   what I believe now. And so I'm questioning all  of this because of what I am learning and perhaps   remembering myself. But thank you so much. I'm  very grateful. Thank you for your questions.

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