Lucille fields three retreat questions on sleepiness in meditation, the consciousness-only view, and how to relate to fear and emotion on the direct path. He suggests neither escape nor indulgence, but a steady recognition of what each experience is made of.
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Hi Francis. Um, two quick questions. The first is, I fell asleep during the meditation. That's good. Yeah, I think so, too. Um, I find that as I fall asleep, or as I'm about to fall asleep, there's, not enough energy for my defences to be up and I go into this calm, almost asleep state ,with an intention of nothingness or doing nothing. And I feel myself sink further and further into awareness and this clarity. And I feel that the closer asleep I get while also not being asleep, the door, so to speak, opens wider and wider. But it gets to the point where, I'm so close to asleep that there is no longer any intention at all or any doing at all. And that's when the door opens up the widest, but that's also when the fear and the contraction, the alarm bells go off. And I'm aware of them going off, but I'm asleep enough to the point where I can't do anything about them. And so it seems like a catch-22 because there's nothing I can do about them, because there's just awareness, but they happen nonetheless. Don't resist the fear that arises. It's not a problem. It's in fact, it's something that needs to come out. So don't be afraid of your fear. Face it, it's not going to kill you. Don't do anything to escape it or to ignore it. No. Be interested in knowing, understanding, knowing your... because these things are not you. They are, they are kind of a wrinkle in your fabric, so they will iron themselves out. Okay. The second question is, I can understand that everything appears in my consciousness, but what I don't understand is how it can be made of consciousness. If I turn around and I no longer see this camera to me, it doesn't really exist. And so I can understand how as it comes into my awareness that it appears in my awareness. But how can it be made of awareness? Yes. Let's do that in two steps. Number one, understand that you never see the camera. It just... what you see is your perception of the camera, or of the flower. Because you and I, we don't see the same thing. You understand? Because my flower is big, your flower is much smaller because you're further away from that which we call the flower. So which one is the real flower? That neither you nor I, nor anybody sees the flower, each of us we see our perception of the flower. It is similar flying IFR - you don't see the ground. You see your instruments, you see your horizon, you see your altimeter, you see all of that stuff, but you don't see the ground. You see a representation of what is out there, which is sufficient for you. But you don't see the...and so it's the same. So now what is your perception of the flower made of? It is like a thought right because it has the same nature. So let's take a thought before the thought begins, where was the thought? Nowhere. Right? It appears in consciousness during its appearance, it is tied to consciousness, you can have you cannot have the thought without consciousness, right? So they are one together. And then when the thought disappears, consciousness remains. Right? Which means that the substance, that which the thought is made of, is consciousness. Just as if, if you take a ring - before the ring was made, there was metal and then the metal was melted and or forged to take the shape of the ring and then at some point the ring will disappear, and the metal will exist, survive. The metal is the substance of the ring, why? Because it was there before, during and after the ring. In the same way, the consciousness is a substance of the thought because it was there before, during and after the thought. Right? So the thought is made of consciousness. Now our perceptions, I'm not talking about the flower, but our perception of the flower, is like is a thought you see because it it doesn't exist before it begins, during the perception it is one with consciousness, and after the perception, consciousness remains. Right? So the substance of all perceptions, by which I mean thoughts, sense perceptions, visual perception, sounds etc. and bodily sensations, what we have at all times is only consciousness. In other words, experientially, experientially we experience at all times consciousness and only consciousness. Now, so that's the first part to recognize. Now, there is another part which is okay, but there is more to reality than that which I perceive through this mind. There are other minds, right? And possibly there is more to it. Possibly there is reality exists even without minds, at least without minds that would be like human minds, or the minds of ants or the minds of creatures that we know on the earth, right? So then what about that? What about this reality? So what about the universe? Right? What about the universe? So then to understand that is this: the universe, this body mind let's assume that this body mind is made out of matter, like the universe, right so the reality of this body mind and the reality of the universe are the same. But moreover, now we talk about consciousness, and consciousness is a reality that perceives, right? Whatever consciousness perceives either directly, or indirectly via perceptions. So we agree we don't perceive the world, we perceive only our perceptions of it, but in order to perceive somehow the world through perceptions, we need to interact with the world. There is no perceptions without interaction. Right? Here is consciousness, here is the world, if they are separate, there is there is a need for an interaction, a connection between whatever we perceive out there and the reality that perceives consciousness. So, and that's a fine point. Consciousness and the world, in order for consciousness to perceive the world, they have to belong to the same reality. But in fact, they have to be, they have to...yeah. So the reality of consciousness and the reality of the world is the same reality. In other words, there is only one reality, which is both the reality of the world and the reality of our perceptions. You see? So I call consciousness the reality that perceives, which means the reality of our perceptions. You see? But if there is only one reality, the reality of our perceptions has to be also the reality of the world. You see, perception requires connection and connection means somehow the two elements that are connected belong to the same reality share the same reality. See, for instance, we cannot connect with someone that has appeared in our dreams because they belong to two different realms, to two different realities. You see, we cannot connect. But here we can connect possibly with a very distant galaxy. We take time but we receive light from them. So there is a connection through space and time. So and as we said earlier I mean everything is interconnected the universe. That's why there is only one. It's one more proof that there is only one reality. This interconnection of everything. So, but so I'm just putting doing a recap of what I've said. Right. First, it's obvious that on the level of mind on the level of mind, consciousness is by mind, I mean all of our perceptions, consciousness is a reality of mind, right? Because everything is made of mind. And regarding the world and possibly other worlds, whatever can be perceived, whatever can be experienced, in order to experience it, consciousness needs to connect with it and then they share the same reality. But I define consciousness precisely as the reality that perceives. You see that's why I use the word reality when I speak of consciousness. So then the difficulty now the difficulty you have is this that when we hear the word consciousness we usually think in terms of mind. In other words we think in terms of thoughts and perceptions in other words of that which is perceived. But we don't think in terms of the powerful thing that perceives. You see this extraordinary mystery of perception that, that we perceive rather than not perceive. You know that's, that's a given. We have no choice. We are consciousness. We have not been asked would you like to be consciousness or not. You see, it's a fact, it's a fact which is as stubborn and as strong as the fact that there is something rather than nothing. You see even if we say there is nothing our saying there is nothing is already something right so it defeats its own purpose. You see? So there is something rather than nothing, that's what Parmenides says, "Being is." That's a fact, we cannot, and as a result absolute nothingness, is not. You see? It's a fact that there something implies that there is not nothing. So when people place being, existence, that which exists, and that which is not, on the same level they're making a mistake. You see Shakespeare, "To be or not to be that's the question." It's not the question! Why because being is, and not being is not. So you cannot hesitate between something that exists and something that doesn't. You see? Being, existence has no opposite because being is, because there is something rather under nothing and there is consciousness. Yeah. So you're saying, I guess I'm getting hung up on the fact that because something out in outer space is not being currently perceived... Yeah. That it's not a sensical question, because it can't not be... I'm not saying it doesn't have a form of existence, especially because it is first, it can be perceived by other people or other minds, but it can be also perceived in a certain way by its effect. For instance, an astronomer may detect an abnormality in the motion of a planet and conclude from that, that there is another planet which is not visible, but which exerts a gravitational force that distorts... that explains the discrepancy on the movement of the celestial body. So and that's a way of perceiving also, indirectly you know. In i science, science is about perceiving - we call it measuring but it's perceiving. But we perceive through all kinds of instruments, not directly, our means of perceptions are very limited as a human body, but we have all kinds of telescope and microscope and instruments and so on. But even that which we don't see or it doesn't mean it doesn't exist you see? Some people say only that which is perceived can exist. If a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it, it didn't happen. Right? That's a very childish form of philosophy. It's interesting because it questions, the... what is called, the realist or physicalist philosophy. That's a good thing. But in fact, we don't care whether the tree exists when it is not perceived, or whether it has an existence while not being perceived. Who cares? Because it doesn't make a shred of difference. And the only thing that matters that there is only one reality. In both cases, there is only one reality. In one case, there is mind which is the only reality, but in the other case there is consciousness and there is the physical reality. Right? But their common reality is consciousness. The conversations, the discussion about... between what is called idealism and physicalism is a little bit like yeah, a pure intellectual game splitting hairs, but in fact with no practical consequences. In France, we call that making love with flies. And I express that in a very polite fashion. The French expression is a little more stringent. Yeah. Thank you. Hi, Francis. I'm to your right, through the orchids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From the vantage point of consciousness, what are emotions? I don't know but from my vantage point what I would call emotion is a subcategory of bodily sensations. They can be positive or negative. And the negative one, corresponding to an increase in tension. So, like what happens in the presence of danger. And the positive ones being the opposite, corresponding to release, relaxation. So an example of positive emotion is laughter. Laughter corresponds to bodily sensations and corresponds at the same time as a letting go and the other example is fear for instance, or aggression, anger - these are the negative emotions. Now what is important from our vantage point? I mean, the positive emotion- no problem right, just we enjoy them. The negative emotions, either they are triggered by a real problem, a real danger and they are normal. Yeah. Or they are false alarms. In other words, they are triggered by events that don't correspond to a real clear and present danger. And usually these are triggered by the belief to be a separate entity and our imagination. So they're the ones that will disappear the moment we distance ourselves from this belief, to be a separate entity. The positive ones, there is nothing to do about them. And I would add something, that not all negative emotions have to be thrown away. A certain amount is useful and they are like spices for Indian cuisine. You see, if you put too much spice it's not good, but if there is no spice, the food is bland, right? So you need a certain amount of spice and of hot stuff, right? It is the same when you go to the movies, what I call a Christian movie where everybody is an angel, smiles all the time, goes to church, you know, and plays by all the rules. Who wants to go to a movie like that? You need bad guys, right? You need you need a little bit of hot stuff, right? And, same thing about music. If you if you would listen to a music which is always perfectly we say consonant, you know, always perfect chords, you know, and you move from one perfect chord to another perfect chord to another perfect chord. You know, it's okay for a little, in the beginning you say hmm, but then you see... it's like eating too much sugar. You see, you need a little bit of you see you need a dissonance because then you have attention and you anticipate, the resolution and then when you get the resolution, ah it feels good. You see? So, a little bit, you know, the spice, the dissonances in music, the bad guys in the movies. You see what I mean, right? Yeah. Yeah. I asked this because and that plays along well with... I'm thinking of the play of consciousness.... the way I'm thinking of it is... and in my experience, it's like well the mind is not something else, it's consciousness, it's a it's a modula.., it's a function modulation, you know, it's consciousness, so emotions must be too. And that makes a lot of sense. I don't have to think about it, I guess. But it Yeah, we in fact we discover later on that the enjoyable part is consciousness. You know, it's not what is going on is consciousness. So when we go away, when we have this kind of excitation you know and then when we go back to peace, that's when we get the... it's a kind of a an addiction. It's a sweet addiction, because consciousness becomes more vibrant you know. It's like... another example, the same mechanism in fact of the it's a mechanism of desire. When we desire something and when we get, when the desire gets fulfilled, at that moment the tension of the desire goes down to zero and that's when we experience happiness in the release of the desire. You see in the release of the tension. So really happiness is really a return to peace. That's why the fundamental, if you will, quality of consciousness is peace. And you find that in all religions somehow you know, peace is important. So all the emotions are circling around the drain of peace we could say perhaps? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But the point I was I was making, because the positive emotions in the body are that which happens when we go back to peace, right? There is a relaxation, there is a letting go. But in order to experience this, we need we need a little bit of tension. That's why in the music, a music which would be always like this would be boring. So there are these buildups of tension and then a resolution and in the movie you observe also and usually the resolution is quick. You see you have a buildup of tension over time and then the resolution is flaff you know, it's like a glimpse. Thank you.