South African Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu — chair of the post-apartheid Truth and Reconciliation Commission — speaks with Krista Tippett about a God whose face he has come to read inside specific historical violence and unexpected reconciliation. The interview is among the last extended on-record conversations he gave before retreating from public life.
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“There’s no question about the reality of evil, of injustice, of suffering, but at the center of this existence is a heart beating with love.” South African Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu on how his understanding of God and humanity has unfolded through the history he’s lived and shaped.