From the 2023 Love & Renewal Retreat, Jack Kornfield, comedian Duncan Trussell and kirtan teacher Krishna Das sit with Raghu Markus on the relationship between samsara, depression and the Bodhisattva vow. The conversation treats humour as a working coping mechanism, examines what Kornfield calls 'liberating ourselves from the movie of me,' and circles back to Ram Dass's framing of serving others while still fixing one's own heart.