American Vajrayana teacher Tsultrim Allione (founder of Tara Mandala) and kirtan teacher Krishna Das trade stories from the 2023 Summer Mountain Retreat on how a guru relationship travels through a family, both the literal family that meets the teacher and the wider sangha. The conversation includes Allione's own monastic origin story, time with Adzom Paylo Rinpoche, and what 'fierce grace' looks like when it lands on inherited patterns.