Recorded live at the 2025 Summer Mountain Retreat, the Columbia Indo-Tibetan Buddhist scholar Robert Thurman and kirtan teacher Nina Rao trace the joint Bhakti-Buddhist lineage of Ram Dass and Maharaj-ji. The discussion moves between Tibetan Buddhist debate about ātman, Vaishnava devotion through Sri Siddhi Ma, and how the Be Here Now network has held the two streams together over fifty years.