Francis Lucille: What Is the Purpose of Life Between Birth and Death?

I also saw this interview with you and Rupert and in this interview you said nothing happens by chance so um then if nothing happens by chance then for everything that happens including my thoughts my dreams everything in the so-called World there must be a cause is that true in a sense yes is in a sense that but when we talk about cause and effect usually we talk about two events in time one event is the cause and the other event is the effect in other words causation kind of Grant grants reality to time um and um so that's not what I mean when I say nothing happens by chance I mean rather that everything is created at every moment from this infinite freedom in other words the future is not predetermined in this way that would be a Mechanical Universe you see um um uh I hope sometimes says God is a woman and she's entitled to changing her mind you see you are not uh Bound by a prior decision a prior will it's it's an explosion of Freedom at every moment [Music] MH but nothing happens so nothing happens by chance but there must there's not a reason for this that would because that would that would mean that there is a meaning to everything that's not that's not the point isn't it um yeah a again you see when we use the word meaning in this case it's more a goal right than a meaning what's a purpose it's a it's a purpose and it could be said that the purpose of this life between birth and death is to find our true nature and that all events that happen uh conspire so to speak U towards taking us closer to this experience and that what I meant by nothing happens by chance it's not that the Universe at every moment kind of guides us to this realization MH so we could say that um the purpose is to you you said the purpose is to to um to guide to find the truth of our about Consciousness yeah and then to celebrate uhhuh as long as there is some energy in this body you know to celebrate in its own MH ways MH that would be the purpose in other words the purpose of the world is not in the world that's that's the world is doomed you see what I mean the the goal is not a better Society the goal is not to conquer space so that we can survive the destruction of the solar system by moving into uh a different uh uh planetary system around the different star in our galaxy no that's not the goal that's more in the future the goal is not the perfect Society in the future that politicians uh are promising us they're all liars as we know I mean not all some of them they are just trying to do their best with with what they [Music] have but uh so the the goal of Life the purpose is not in this world the purpose is beyond the world to this reality which we already are right and in this sense this world this universe is Just a Dream yes because it's less real than this uh presence out of which it emanates and that sustains it and that uh takes it out annihilates it the meaning is a different question meaning meaning is very important meaning is is a ninal experience it's the experience of really understanding access to meaning and meaning is different from information meaning is related to the hard problem of Consciousness information is just bits or qits or shanon sh non entropy and uh information is something subtle I like energy that require that requires an energetic support seemingly but which is different from its support I mean the uh a poem by a son by Shakespeare is independent somehow from the piece of paper it is printed on so that's information there is something more subal to information but the meaning when we are touched by the understanding and the beauty and the love is somewhere else mhm or I should have mentioned with you or hling or good now we could say that all all that H apparently happens is just a mean for the for um what's what's the um the English in German I would say I everything means a means towards a goal yeah everything that apparently happens is just a means toward the goal of the unveiling of what is already there yeah yeah in a sense and then celebration and then celebration but it was all already when it was a means towards the goal there was already celebration but the celebration was kind of hidden it's just after the fact that we realize oh there was this guiding hand so to speak that was pushing us towards yes toward this beauty celebration can only happen if we take it if if we don't take it for real isn't it uh yes if we don't take for real or we take for Less real uh if if if you have a friend coming to visit you and you you open a bottle of champagne uh the joy is not really in the champagne you see what I it's a celebrate but but why not the champagne also right [Music] MH MH it's not about the sh it's not about the Ferrari in my garage it's it's it's what it also this is a mean for the goal yes yes