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Michael Tellinger on the Anunnaki, Ancient Giants and Human Origins

By Michael Tellinger · The 5th Kind

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Michael Tellinger, author of Slave Species of the Gods, sits down with Paul Wallis to lay out his synthesis: that the Anunnaki re-engineered hominids in southern Africa for gold mining, leaving traces in the giant skeletons of the cuneiform record and the prehistoric stone circles he has documented near Waterval Boven.

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the fifth kind humanoid reptilian who knows possibly Anunnaki from creatures small look like little dinosaurs or little wiener reptile reptilian type creatures to very large creatures with huge teeth and huge body parts and right now we cannot ask for a better time to contemplate and look inwards and contemplate our lives and what's actually going on do we want to go back to this broken world a broken society that's a dog-eat-dog where we have to work like slaves just to survive then then there's education system that's just falling apart that is shoving crap down our children's brains and throats just indoctrination to create a future obedient labor force for the royal banking elite and people are very rapidly waking up to them if you would like to hear Michael challenger go deeper into these and more controversial topics go to the fifth kind dot TV uncensored access to the full two hours of this revealing interview welcome to the fifth kind TV today we are in conversation with Michael Challenger Michael is an investigative research and founder of the global 1/2 liberation movement his research exposes us to compelling new evidence of previous civilizations on planet Earth and is finding his challenge our very understanding of human origins Michael's books include slave species of God Adams calendar temples of the African gods African temples of the Anunnaki the most technologies of the gold mines of Enki and abun - contribution ism a blueprint a human prosperity Michael welcome to the fifth kind TV I both love me to be with you I am really looking forward to getting into conversation with you today I find it fascinating how your research joins the dots hidden and prehistoric past and has led you not only to think differently to the mainstream but to live differently and to check out how that might be done and you've done that with such courage in the last couple of decades you give courage to others myself included so I really wanted to thank you and enology for that right at the outset I'd love to begin in our conversation today we're going to range across a number of subjects but I want to begin with you in South Africa because one of your great contributions to world research has been with regard to a network of stone circles that transgressed the borders of a number of countries in southern Africa conventional wisdom tells us they're just the remnants of some prehistoric farming community your research has demonstrated otherwise and I wondered if you we could start off by you telling us how you discovered these stone circles and what it is that you've discovered well thanks very much for the the stone circles are really just a I guess a name that has stuck when I started to research them but the the first awareness of these stone circle ruins go back 500 years strangely enough that's when the Portuguese first realized as they came past the Cape of Good Hope from from Europe to in towards of India when they came on land from the Indian Ocean side especially they came across a lot of these ancient ruins and even when they got to Great Zimbabwe in those days already they they asked the locals who built these structures and they were told unequivocally by the local tribes that they met that that they didn't build them they just occupying them and they didn't know who built them and that's a variation that goes back 500 years so whatever we read in modern history books about the origins of these stone circles and it is very different from what I've just told you and modern historians tend to think that they know who they you know where these structures come from who built them when they were built why they were built and stored and they ascribed them to various tribes and that's just all absolute nonsense because we know that that is not the case from 500 years ago already what I've discovered when I first became aware of the ruins in 2005 or 2004 while I was writing slave species of God I suddenly discovered that South Africa has got this plethora of ancient ruins that nobody knows about and that just blew my mind I couldn't believe that nobody's talking about it this is this is my country we all go out to Egypt and all over the world to look at all these ruins and yet right under our feet we have this large number of runs and when I say large number at the time when I discovered these ruins there was an estimate of about 20,000 of these ruins in South Africa now that blew my mind because 20,000 is a big number already but little did I know what the discovery would lead to that is a much bigger than number than that but at the time in 2004 when I first found these papers and that was not easy to find these papers and the documentation on these ruins they were written you know and they were hidden away and some some Museum and some archives somewhere so eventually I got all a hold of those papers and read this and just couldn't believe that nobody is aware of it nobody's talking about it there's no photographic evidence anywhere it was literally like a closed book the only thing that they spoke about was was was great zimbabwe and that's pretty much it they not studied well it was studied it was studied and a number of expeditions and explorations and research studies were done excavations some very basic surface level stuff not in-depth and not detailed and not scientific and I really need to draw a distinction here quite frankly geologists should never ever be put into a field of science although I'm sort of I guess I'm breaking my own laws or whatever my own definition of what the word science means I often use that to give people confidence that you know even if you're a good baker it means you're actually a scientist if you're very good at something very very good at something it means you're a scientist in that specific thing because science originally comes from the word knowledge right so if you're a scientist you're knowledgeable about a specific subject but but unfortunately our archaeologists are not scientists in the popular sense of the word they they they undertake training and in that training are very few scientific principles that they apply in what would be deemed as mainstream scientific approach so it's when you look at the archaeological studies that have been done they are very interesting and they do raise and I must give them credit that they do raise and they did raise some of the flags the red flags that attracted me and made me pay attention to the anomalies and the problems that we have with ancient ruins of South Africa so for people who are not video with them can you describe these stone circles to us and and why it is that it's clear that they're not the vestige of a farming community right so the stone circles are circular structures the walls are made of smaller stones that range from about 10 kilograms to about 200 kilograms and they they form these circular structures with very strange and irregular in internal structures the main thing that was that was noted in 1939 in probably up to that point and even since then I think that was the biggest archaeological exploration and research F that was made into exploring the stone circles and that happened just down the road from me at some of these engine ruins here and they concluded and they have drawings of these from 1939 drawings of these stone circles I've covered all the mountains not all of them just a few in the area that they studied but the stone circles go much further than that and and they have drawings of them and you can see in the drawings very clearly that some of the drawings have no doors and entrances and some of them do have entrances in some of the walls and and that is critical because in that 1939 report which is quite a it's about a 40 page report they make it very clear that the original structures have no doors and entrances and that is a very important consideration because that immediately excludes the fact that the structures were built by people as dwellings or dwellings for people or cows or other animals because if you're not going to put doors or entrances in them then clearly it's not meant to be a habitation or place and and that became a very important shift in my thinking about these structures and a consistent it's a consistency that you find with with all the ancient stone tools the original ones and we find many of those that are still covered by soil and sad some of them have been exposed and bone exposed and then some of them being completely exposed and you can still see the original walls as they were built with no doors and entrances it's like a closed closed loop it's spectacular and that and that's when we started to measure the weird anomalies with special electronic equipment but I think you wanted to say something yes I want to come to the anomalous properties of these circles a little bit later and what the function of the might have been I just wanted to clarify how enormous this network is because it overflows the boundaries of a couple of countries doesn't it yeah well it's unquestionably the largest cluster or concentration and I'll call cluster of ancient ruins anywhere on earth it covers probably one-third of South Africa and pretty much most of us in Bob where it's it's spread it spills over to if you're looking at the map its pulls over to the west of us northwest of us to Botswana and to the east of us into Mozambique and then all the way through through Zimbabwe and north across the Zambezi River into Zambia and and Tanzania and it's it's just it's just huge I'm not sure where it ends it's quite poor I wouldn't be surprised if originally this went all the way up the neurologic Meridian all the way up to Egypt that actually would not surprise me and I've never said this before it's the first time that I've actually making this kind of insane statement or an idea but I would not be surprised if you followed this and you're able to remove the bushes and the trees and the vegetation you'd probably find that these circles go all the way up to Egypt and simply the scale of it suggests that we're looking at something that is the vestige of a civilization it's not just one like a local tea that's built something there is a knowledge base and a technology and a culture that was enormous produced what we're looking at now and that's that's a point of intrigue right away I wanted to ask how it relates to Adams calendar if you could tell us a little bit about what Adams calor calendar is how it relates Adams calendar is pretty much the flagship of all these engine runs Adams calendar is as a working Sun calendar it's it's now recognized as the oldest working Sun calendar on earth it's it's it's a originally the the structure is circular it's about it's probably about 20 meters across oh yeah about 20 meters across and it's a circular structure originally but it's so broken that it's difficult to to see it but if you look on Google Earth you can still see the circular nature and the original structure of it and at the center of it are these two stones that face each other and these two stones literally like electromagnetic plates okay and they vibrate they give off energies and frequencies and the electromagnetic fields and magnetic fields and so Adams calendar is much more than just a Sun calendar but but it is structured to actually be a Sun calendar so you can see the passage of the year as the Sun sets every day you can see the Sun move from the from the the summer solstice here so there's two stones this don't cast the shadow on the stone if the Sun sets on this side it casts a shadow on the stone and on this edge if the shadow is on this edge that's you reach the summer solstice and then the shadow starts to move as the Sun moves back towards winter the shadow you can tell the day of the year and the time of the year by where the shadow is as the Sun sets and then the shadow moves across from the one edge to the other edge of one it reaches the other edge you've reached the winter solstice and then it stops and it comes back so this is a spectacular achievement and I'm not sure why they did this why they built this but because the it's the the Sun calendar aspect of is just a built-in feature it is not the main reason why the Canada exists because the calendar itself is actually a very powerful machine energy generating machine and I don't know if you want to talk about it now but just pre-empting this because it's a it's a very powerful machine it's a toroidal toroidal energy generating device that is just so powerful it boggles the mind and I say this because I know this because we've measured it I don't imagine it is I know it is yes around it because straight away that orientation connects it with megalithic structures all around the world that are oriented by solstices around the movements of the stars and it's just curious that this these previous civilization we don't know much about all had that in common but Mesopotamian narratives that talk about the Anunnaki who we believe were ancient ET colonizers how does that relate to what we're looking at here because there's a connection possibly between the technology this represents an ancient gold-mining how does all this fit together it sounds like a cocktail yeah it is all one connected body of information and body of activity the circles the stone circles and Adam's calendar are unquestionably the making of the Anunnaki or that I knew no gods as they refer to in the Sumerian texts in thousands and thousands of clay tablets it's not something that you find in one or two clay tablets as some people still might think that our noona gods are the central figures the central characters in pretty much most of the Sumerian writing in most of the Sumerian clay tablets there's always a reference to the UH noona the Anunnaki and how they controlled humanity and and obviously how they created humanity and it's all connected to ancient gold mining and and the the generation of energy gold mining and the obsession with gold that the Anunnaki had that we seem to have inherited this obsession with gold and that's a very important connection to be made that humanity's obsession why do we use gold as human beings it has very little purpose to us rather than in technology but that came that only came very recently but in ancient times it was just like this very valuable beast of shiny metal that very few people had access to and the Kings and the the Lords always hugged it and took it from everybody and it always belonged to the gods whenever you go back in ancient times and the Europeans arrived while they were colonizing the world in the late 1400s an early fifteen hundreds wherever the Europeans arrived and they found ancient civilizations and local tribes with huge amounts of gold pretty much all over the world the ancient tribes had gold when the Europeans arrived this is a spectacular thing and when they ask them what does a god belong to the answer was always the gold belongs to the gods and that was a feeble excuse strangely enough that the Spaniards used well if the gold isn't yours we're just going to take it and they did and of course the Spanish had had gone looking for it in South Africa there is evidence that's been found of prehistoric gold mining when I say prehistoric what kind of dates are we looking at for those evidences and how does that relate to the dating of the stone circles because you've done some really cutting-edge research into however to date the circle I wonder if you could tie those things together progress well the oldest official mine on earth is just down the road from us an hour and a half if I actually just across the border in Swaziland but obviously when that mine was created there were no borders here so we go there quite often on the tours that I do the sacred sites to us and the journeys that we take throughout southern Africa and all these amazing places it's called the egg when you're mine and and that mind is officially dated by mainstream archaeology so you can imagine these guys are really pushed to the limit of their I think capacity of allowing this mainstream archaeology to go this far back it's dated officially thousand years they were mining specula right they were mining gold and they were mining some other minerals there as well that's the big question and but unfortunately for for current archaeology the guy that discovered that mine that Peter Beaumont South African archaeologist who's since died he was probably one of the very few out-of-the-box thinkers and slightly more spiritually connected because he's the guy that I started to understand the Bushman rock art the Bushman paintings and how the Bushmen shamans would go into trances and and connect to the spirit world and so forth not not all archaeologist that that way what wired that way and when people peter beaumont first discovered that that's called a lion cavern and it's not a it's a small little mine it's a tiny little hole really in the side of a mountain there were the mind where they were mining the specular right but there he discovered under layers of sediment but that he believed was more than a hundred thousand years old so he originally said that this miners more than a hundred thousand years old but there was not ever published but you do read it and it is available in some of the interviews that he did with the media about it but that's what it was not what was originally put out as the age of the mine and it just shows that how they relate manipulate and interfere with with with archaeologists findings and and evidence they just change it indeed that throws a spanner into the works immediately conventional timeline our sapiens we were only supposed to have been this smart for about ten thousand years so that day a hundred thousand years ago is an anomaly and and the work you've done on the you've dated the stone circles by analyzing the patinas hadn't you that the cuts that have been made insist you what where did that lead you yeah look the stone circles are any any any time you work with stone it's very difficult to determine the age because you know stone doesn't really age they do claim that they have some radioactive dating processes and techniques but it's all just hocus-pocus stuff it's like you know you pick a take a stone from this mountain here you take it over there and you manipulate it you use it you carve it or you do something to it and and things change the magnetic alignments change and so forth so it's very difficult to date stone when you're dealing with stone ruins unless you have organic matter that there's some are connected inextricably connected to the ruins that you can date but that becomes a problem because carbon dating is now our problem and and so it's just you have to start using as many deductive considerations as you possibly can you have to look at everything with you through the finest little microscope to try and analyze what's going on are there any indicators or clues that suggest the age of this and that's pretty much what I've been doing for thirteen years now among the stone ruins and Adams calendar and South Africa and Zimbabwe and what I can tell you is that I keep pushing the deck further and further back when we first discovered Adams calendar or when Johan Heine we accidentally rediscovered Adams calendar in 2004 and he was trying to share that information with the South African Archaeological Society and and and so forth the universities nobody was paying attention nobody even wanted to give him the time of day to come and look at it they just assumed he was nuts and that's a huge disgrace and it just shows you the kind of character that we're dealing with here with these academic institutions it is a disgrace and they should be ashamed of themselves and then then he met me and everything changed and so I started to spread the information about this it's very obvious it's built very consciously like you mentioned it's aligned to all the cardinal points north south east west it's it's got solstices equinoxes alignments it's got the calendar itself that works absolutely perfectly from solstice to solstice and and when we first discovered this the one weird saying that there were two very strange things about Adams calendar is that it aligns with the rise of Orion on down on the honor eastern side of the the rise of Orion in the east and that is that that's what we have the the Fallen stone which which is which I call the Horus turn so beautifully carved shape stone in nice fat belly and then a nice neck like a Horus but it looks exactly like a Horus bird and if you lift it up in a position that it fell next to it are three other stones one of those three stones is beautifully carved in to a shape like a very sharp point and the others have broken and they less they're less impressive but if you lift them up it looks like Horace's is looking directly at these three stones and and those stones line up with the rise of Orion in the east at certain times of the earth and this is not a coincidence you know so now we have a repetition of the Horus looking at Orion which a cyrus Orion Osiris there's a connection there and it's connected to Egypt immediately not only do we have this connection to Egypt now where we have Horus in the Ryan and Osiris but we also have Adams calendar Great Zimbabwe and the Great Pyramid of Giza all connected on the 31 degrees east longitudinal line or what's often called the neurologic meridian so there there's a incredible connection between Adams calendar Great Zimbabwe and the great burn of Giza and what have they all got have in common ancient gold mines and ancient mining civilizations gold mining civilizations and people often forget that Egypt was a gold mining civilization the other amazing thing that Paul is that when we did when we did an analysis a land survey of the of the site the north-south east-west alignments are out by three and a quarter degrees anti-clockwise and that is just that is just unacceptable because these guys were so advanced they they would not have made a mistake so the only conclusion I can reach from that is that whoever built it it looks like the Anunnaki were the architects for other reasons that we can go into just mind-blowing reasons and when they built it the orientation of the world and the true north-south alignment was different from where it is today because this is not magnetic north that we're measuring we measuring true north the north all the true north and that is impossible because the axis of the of the earth as far as we know hasn't shifted or is there an axis so it brings up a whole bunch of questions and huge question marks because when Adams calendar was built north-south alignment was not where it is today now your research has picked up on some really interesting properties that these structures have things to do with temperature sonic properties that suggest that what we're actually looking at is some kind of an energy grid can you tell us a bit more about that and and how that relates to mining and its role in this prehistoric civilization yes the the stone circles themselves are very interesting in structure and shape and why is every stone circle completely unique they are nose to stone circles that are the same and that boggled my mind right in the beginning so in in late 2007 early 2008 I started to pick up and collect these elongated stones I started to call them stones and ring like bells and you can go on YouTube and watch me ring some of these stones and they literally if you close your eyes it sounds like metal not like a stone and it always catches people by surprise so I started to collect these strange tools and artifacts I was picking up everywhere these elongated stones and those are normally the ones that rings so beautifully but I couldn't make any sense of it why are these stones these weird shapes and I couldn't understand why but I just knew that they remain beautifully and then I discovered that the stones in the stone walls of the stone circles themselves also have acoustic properties they're all ring live bells and coming from a musical background and studying sound and understanding sound I Mattox the shape of sound and cymatics is the term for the study of sound manifesting into physical form right like the primordial source code of creation that's what sound really is and when you I realized that the stone circle that that the stones ring our bells and we started to measure sad frequencies and electromagnetic fields coming out of the stone circles coming out of the walls of the start circles very high sound frequencies from from about 14 gigahertz right this is not something to be scoffed at this is just incredible from I think or 11 gigahertz all the way up to Adams calendar beyond 375 gigahertz of sorry that these things generate it's it's unheard of in nature and and then the electromagnetic fields that range from go ahead at certain pitches that would be what the volume of a jet taking off oh my god you know any anything in gigahertz is just is just very very powerful it's it's it's like modern-day cell phone towers so we're not dealing with with with low tech yeah we're dealing with very high tech and and then the electromagnetic fields that we started to measure in they off you know up to up to 40 I think the highest we measured in the star circles 480 megahertz and then at Adams calendar and went up to like 2,000 megahertz that and it varies every time we go back and measure it with with different Koopmans because I don't always have the same equipment I just don't have the funds so I have to rely on people and they come and arrive here and have special equipment we're gonna do the measurements we record it and then they go away and then yeah until somebody authorized it slightly different equipment but what we've discovered is that the frequencies emitted by the star circles keep changing what tells me is that the stud circles are alive they're not static they are working still today but the most important thing about us is that once we realized once I realized that the stone circles give off these energies these frequencies that suddenly made sense why they are built like that and the shapes that they take on because it suddenly became very obvious that every stance is just a representation of the sound front of the ground at that specific point the stone circle itself takes on a cymatic shape or a cymatic pattern of that sound frequency at that specific point and because the surface of the earth is not even then you've got different sands and stones and quartz densities and so forth under this in the in the soil underneath it the sound the primordial sound frequencies of the earth the earth rings like about all the time it never stops ringing and these frequencies make their way to the surface of the earth and there these guys knew exactly how to tap into those frequencies coming out of the the earth the solder the soil and they built the stone walls along a cymatic pattern of that particular area and kept in by doing that they capture the sound frequencies coming out of the earth there saw that sound then goes into the walls of the stone circle the sound moves around the walls and it amplifies itself because that's what it does because it's in a sacred geometric pattern so it amplifies itself and that moving sound and creates magnetic fields and moving magnetic fields create electromagnetic fields and what I've just described to you there is literally describing the fundamental basics understanding of the manifestation of something out of nothing or as we read in the first passage of the Bible that God said let there be light there was nothing and the Spirit of God moved over the waters and then God said there be light that's what these guys are doing they're returning sound like the Word of God Word of the Creator returning sound into very powerful energy machines and now on top of that it's not just one machine not just one sound circle we're dealing with more than 10 million of these stone circles so we're looking at a incredibly vast huge energy generating machine that covers more than two countries in southern Africa generating unimaginable amount of energy the question whether using the energy for that's the question I mean it's a phenomenally sophisticated technology it represents a very advanced civilization to know how to tap their what were they using it for well at this stage there a number of theories and again you know my theories change based on the evidence that I have and again I'm not sure if I mentioned it already short-term memory-loss here I do I like to say that I do it the guys in CSI do I'll follow the clues and the evidence and I based my conclusions on the clues and the evidence that I have and that's what it is until tomorrow or next week when I find new evidence and new clues then I changed my perspective and my views on what I thought before so what I know today and what I think today is vastly different from what I thought ten years ago and that's how everybody should work with when you make when you work in the field of discovery you can't get stuck on a theory or idea that's ten years old or 20 years old or in some instances a hundred years old like the atomic model for example that they still teach us in physics it's just spectacular disservice to all of humanity they still teaching the same bogus BS atomic model in physics at school and at university and this is why they can't make heads or tails of the the nature of reality and how things work but I'm digressing now so you've got to move for the flow and there's new discoveries to make more sense of things so it's a very sophisticated as you say a very high advanced knowledge of the use of sound and resonance and how to convert sound and resonance into a useful tool and technology for pretty much everything they did so brilliantly I thought that all these stone circles are generating energy for the gold mining that they were doing and I'm still I'm still on that thought that's obviously the first thing that comes to mind because there was such a large scale gold mining going on here it boggles the mind I don't think I probably can't even imagine how big it is and my nation of that is much bigger than most other people at this stage but the these anunnaki were mining the earth they were mining such vast areas of the earth for gold we can't imagine it because in our perspective in our perception there's not enough money to set up all these gold mines because you know we use money and if we don't have enough money we won't be able to set up the gold mines so they didn't have money they didn't use money they just did stuff and they did it because that's what they did for their civilization and they their species to thrive so gold mining absolutely energy for the gold mines absolutely no question about that but there is another twist here because this is such a vast engineering undertaking we could never construct anything like this today in the world today with all the engineers all the architects we couldn't do this because we're so we don't have the technology we don't know where to put the star circles and how to tap into those frequencies of the earth well I guess there are people that be able to do that but they certainly not in the mainstream and so this is such a vast undertaking with more than 10 million of these structures all connected to each other with these channels and all those stone circles that are connected to each other they then sit in what I call the spider's web and this spider's web is really just a network of terraces agricultural terraces that from the air look like spiders webs that hold the stone circles connected to each other body's channels it's an integrated network that covers an entire southern the southern African continent it's an unimaginable architectural and construction feat and achievement so they must have done this for some very very serious reasons because this is a very serious construction so I'm beginning to think and I have been thinking for the past few years now that it the original idea must have been a little bit more than just and I'm beginning to see evidence that that they may have used the energy generated by the Sun circles to actually manipulate the the atmosphere manipulate the climate geoengineering manipulating the climate and possibly creating a climate that was conducive for their for their stay and for doing the work that they were doing and and dad yeah it's looking more and more like that that the stunt circles actually a very very large geoengineering terraforming climate control machine so they're there to create a certain climate that supports everything they were doing does that relate in some way to the role of the absolute in the Sumerian narrative hey I do about the observer yes yes so the the absolute is a well-recognized term for in the Sumerian texts for this place that is there's quite a bit of controversy about it and an argument about what the absolute is or where was it or what is it but they are enough references to the absolute being where the gold came from for me to assume that the absolute is the place where the remaining gold and and then they also they differentiate between the the Abzu and then the deep absolute which I've come to understand as being Zimbabwe which is closer to to Mesopotamia where the Anunnaki were were settled and Susan Bob where was the absolute and then the deep RC was further away further south which was probably most likely the reference to South Africa which which it would be today so we have the absolute and the deep observe that is often referenced in the Sumerian texts and that is where the gold came from and to the largest gold operations were set up by the Sumerian supreme entity or being called Anki deity he was in charge of all the gold mining he was in charge of all the activity he was the supreme Anunnaki dude on earth and one of the supreme Anunnaki is everyone and and he pretty much ruled the roost there has been some confusion about you know his so-called brother or Enlil and we can go into that if you want to later but he was the guy that was running the mining the mining construction and he was also the guy that was then tasked when the Anunnaki couldn't handle all the mining activity they just didn't want to do the mining and the hard work anymore that's when they decided to to clone a new species and suddenly humanity makes its appearance humanoid reptilian who knows possibly Anunnaki now I'm saying this is a finger this is a finger of a giant right that's about 50 times this is about 50 50 of my fingers will probably fit in there it's a rough estimate so this is 50 times larger than I am so we're looking at about a 80 meter tall being and right now we cannot ask for a better time to contemplate and look inwards and contemplate our lives and what's actually going on do we want to go back to this broken world a broken society that's a dog-eat-dog where we have to work like slaves just to survive then then there's a education system that's just fallen apart that is shoving crap down our children's brains and throats just indoctrination to create a future obedient labor force for the royal banking elite and people are very rapidly waking up to the if you would like to hear Michael challenger go deeper into these and more controversial topics go to the fifth kind dot TV uncensored access to the full two hours of this revealing interview

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