Two online-retreat participants describe a panic that rises when the mind falls into no-thought — the worry that staying there will sever ties to ordinary life. Mooji clarifies that nothing of value is lost in awakening, and offers detached observation as a steady, repeatable exercise.
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Um there's one thing that's trouble plagued me always when I come to that place of no thought. I want to stay there's no language, no thought, nothing. Yes. And I want to stay there forever. I don't know how. Okay, let me answer. Let me answer quickly. You come to a place of no thought. No thought is there. Okay. That place all that place exist. No thought. No. So that place does that have to think that there is no thought? No. But a panic. There's a panic that comes up. Yeah. Panic comes up that I have to that I have to be in the world because I feel if I stay there, I won't get a handle on the world. Ah, okay. Okay. So what we know when there's no thought one thought exist I exist the I is there at that no thought place and remember the I is the king of thoughts you say I go to a place where there are no thoughts no thought is there except you because you say well I want to stay here and this very thought I want to stay there yeah cause you trouble You are that. But the thought I want to stay here, what is giving that thought power is another attachment. And the attachment is I want to be here forever, but I don't want to lose my contact with the world. That is the string. Remember I told you it's like you're called by the voice of God is coming from inside a cave. Come my darling. Come, Jimmy. Come, come. I'm here for you. And but some fear come. But at the same time, you're attracted to go. So then you get a long rope and you tie it around your waist and you tie a very end to a tree. And then you go in just in case, just in case it's a trick and you get lost, I can follow my rope. Come out. So you better you put a condition on it. You see, you come to place no thought already. uh no thought but one thought is there and the thought I am here and this I am here wants to be I want to be here all that it's a trick the I which is a thought I want to be in the no thought forever but this I is going to generate thousands of thoughts first of all it declares I don't want to lose my connection with the world that's important to me so how are you going to be in No thought with such a thought. It's my fear of dying because I feel if I stay there I will never have a job. I will land up in the gutter and I there's I just threat this threat and this this delusion has been putting you again and again in life life after life. Yeah. because of this fear and this fear can be defeated really this fear can be defeated and I will tell you you have to be willing to take the risk for freedom it's like we are like they say there's somebody sitting in a cell in a jail cell they're sitting there and it's cold and dark and there's nobody no friends there's no light and they're there you know locked into some sort of state of real just isolation and just so painful but they have the key in their hand but they won't use why will not use the key so something is saying that you know well at least here I am peaceful nobody trouble me at least my cell is private it. You know the minds find a way to to catch your attention very easily just by this one one one little thought one little desire which is I want to be in this no because you are you are the witness you are verifying that the no mind is so tell me tell me yourself what is no mind like no thought is there you've been there tell me a little bit about it it's wonder it's blissful of course look at her talk like that it's blissful but you want blissful plus the world which is not blissful. I want to relax into the dance. I just want to relax into it all you know. Please will you help me Muji Baba? Yes. Yes my love. Of course. Please help me get over that hook. Yes. That hook gets me. Let's go back to the place then where you come to know mind. No thought, no thought, no thought. Even the thought I want to still keep my most vibrant connection with the world is also thought. So let him go out the room. You go out, wait outside here. you I am not going to hold the hand of that thought because that thought is the most dangerous thought. That thought is keeping you a prisoner because you have had this thought anyway. You had this thought anyway. What has been the fruit of keeping that thought with you? You have your connection with the world. You have all those things. How? What is the beauty of them? Why were they not enough? Because they didn't have the pure awareness. Yes. Now you have pure awareness. God has put in your one hand pure awareness. In the other hand this thought I want to be connected in the world. And he says, "Okay, you which which one will you keep? You can only keep one awareness." Sure. It's not an imaginary game now. Oh, sure. And not a game of imagination. There's a little bit of doubt. Yes. There's a little bit of No, I've got to get over there's a little dark energy that what it's to jump off the cliff and and without fear, darling. There is no cliff. Okay. Okay. The mind is the cliff. The mind is giving you this look. Catch 22. you must jump off blindly. For some people, that might be um an actual thing that they may have to just exercise out that that thought, you know, jump off the cliff. We can do it now. Let's jump together. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, all right. Okay. So, the the thought is okay. Now you are making the choice I'm leaving. Either you have one of two things. You can either take the thought you're trying to keep for the world and throw it off the cliff. Start with that one. Okay? Or you can take the the opportunity for total liberation, uncompromising, no deals, and throw that off the cliff. Let's start there. You cannot go with both of them. You cannot have a a parachute jump while not leaving the earth. Now I'm making it another way around for you. I say, okay, you have two hands. One has got the the connection with the world, the sweet freedom, the sweet connection with the world that I'm in touch. I'm not being left behind. I'm up to date with what's happening in my life. That's one hand. And the other hand, I have a unbroken awareness uh pure joy which you already testified to. You must throw one off the cliff. You invited this because you wanted it. I I throw the I throw the attachment to the world off the cliff. Okay. And and and then I still jump and still jump. Yeah. Okay. Double double double liberation. If you throw that thing, you don't have to jump. But if you want to experience freef fall, no jumpsuit, jump also. Okay. But it has to be more than a kind of like a psychological exercise. You see, you can throw the stuff in that you talk about the world. You can throw it at me through the screen if you want to. Right. You have thrown. Be done with it. Be done with it. So now you're empty. Empty. Empty. Yeah. Empty. Empty. Empty. I took it. Now you're empty. Empty. Empty. Only awareness with you which you cannot throw because that would be you. It's there with you. Awakened consciousness. You're awake to your consciousness. Any problems? Did you throw everything? You don't have anything in the pocket. You threw everything. Okay. Are you waiting for something to happen? Nothing at all. Yeah, it is good. It is good. Thank you very much. Thank you. I may have a chance to check back with you after. Thank you. It's wonderful to me. I'm very very happy I took the chance and spoke with you. Thank you. Very good. So great. So great. Nana. Mhm. Um, you look surprised you had your hand down. Um, hi. Hi. Thank you so much. Um, thank you. I um I feel that in doing this exercise both in the pre-days and here um the coming home is not the the hardest thing. I feel like that's quite it's almost like relaxing into the arms of a loved one or of my mother, but it's not there no arms. It feels quite like easeful. um there's no kind of there's not so much struggle and I can observe and I feel like I've been in this space many times before since childhood. Um and it feels almost like spiritual gymnastics that the the going back to mind is just a habit that I need to train myself out of through doing more and more of this. Yes. Um, my question is, um, and it's a question that I feel that I have for my higher being, but because you're so much more advanced, I can put it to you. Um, and I'm grateful I have the opportunity. Um, is between the play of the formless and of form. Um I feel like um in this form that I have right now in this lifetime I have a karmic purpose a a a purpose of service and I feel like I've been trying to serve in this way since I have been able to um and now that I feel and I know that I have the opportunity to live more and more into the formlessness I feel that I'll be able to serve from that place but I'm My question is how do I move and I know that this will come but I I I I feel grateful to ask this to you and I hope it will help others too. How do I move between this formless and the form which I feel is tied to who I was born to and my country and all of this and the form that I'm in now. How do I move between the formless and the form and my service my purpose? Okay. Okay. As long as you have uh an intention, however high the intention is, it's like uh you will not totally let go into the formless. You see, it's like the formless is you are waiting for the realization of the formless to serve the highest expression of the form. So it's like uh [Music] so it's like there's a big snake in the room and now you want it out. This all the troubles you want it out and now it's going out. Now we start to celebrate. The head is in the garden. We are singing songs and celebrating but the tail is in the room. So let the snake go completely out the room or put it another way. You fully uh because I I'm saying this it's very important because a number of people have come here. You come to the door and you turn away a little bit or you say I've been there. I've been there. you know, I've been there, but uh and the door was open and I could see the Lord and I was having a conversation, but I stayed outside the room. So, uh my encouraging, come, come, let go. Don't be tied to the tree outside of the cave. Come right in. Because otherwise you will holding on to a doubt. If I let go fully into the arms of the supreme, I may not get to fulfill my earthly projection. And I still want to be able to say to God, but God want me to do it. And I say, "No, no, leave that for now. Come fully in and let God live through you whatever he has planned for you. Otherwise you are between two things you know. Yeah I want you know I see that I'm coming more into my higher into the higher self into the but maybe some little resistance. It's a little bit like what Jimmy was saying earlier because she said no I I I've come to this place of no mind no thought and so so wonderful wonderful Baba G how can I h how can I really I I want to stay here she said I want to stay here but at the other hand I have something they say you I don't want to lose my sweet contact with the world many people are on this in between state and the mind tell you you are sufficiently close to God you know so go and do your thing he'll watch over your thing and so your thing and you are connected and your thing and you become disconnected because God does not want 90% of you all of you and all of of you that belong to God is all of you that is you. And you are not going to have a higher and more fulfilled life than being totally offered. I know sometime the mind doesn't want to hear this. It wants to keep the little a little ace up the sleeve a little bit of a little card, you know, just in case times of trouble, I can flick up my little ace of spades. And I said no have the intention. We have no scientific um instrument for measuring 100% being with God. It's totally heart uh consciousness and it comes by just feeling you know I'm totally here for this and to stay to stay as the awareness only because something is pulling very strongly. Come connect with me. we can do things together. And also maybe not even that voice. Maybe you know that that voice is a kind of trouble to to to stay out and to um you know uh and also maybe it's not even a choice against your conscious will something goes there by h by the force of habit. So by the force of habit we find ourel again but now you're conscious and something is saying wait a second like the lord is giving me conscious eyes conscious mind now to see that actually am I willing to continue to live in my head having not really any real control over that I mean that is just something that uh I'm brought again into the jungle of confusion so easy and it's like even if I say no I'm not going to go there it's like has power because the force of habit just brings you there. And so this exercise is tailor made for you to say try it because then you start to see where you have compromised on the fullness of your being because the glory of God is the very essence of your being. It's not two is not divorced. And so we have to overcome that's the challenge of having a human existence. You have the power to discern and to feel what the world offers you and uh and then what it seems that God is offering offering. You know this is a very dualistic place and we are very comfortable in duality largely but for me you will come to a place where you are not separated from God and I'm not saying that you're equal with God because that's a mental concept. There's nobody equal with God. There's no two to be equal with God. But in the harmony field of and the oneness field of God, don't leave 1% out willingly. It might happen that there may appear to be one 2% out but not willingly. Be conscious and then you come fully into your power, fully into your joy, but it is not a separated joy. You see? So this was why I mentioned Jimmy because she was very very um very um very I would say uh a very enlightening share sharing cuz she gave it very clearly. I came to the place of no thought. Look at that. I came the place of no thought. You know how many people are trying to get to the place of no thought. Well maybe not so many actually. Maybe some people they feel I want to go to no thought and they hold that as a thought. But she actually came and experienced the absence of thought and said I love it here and then ting a thought come but I don't want to lose contact with some juicy part of my life. I don't want to be left out of that. And that thought bought you bondage because 1% of uh you know conscious decision to keep out to yourself something for your person is very costly I feel and putting everything in the basket putting everything in the basket of God is actually what your soul yearns for but the mind somehow blurs that like whoa that's a risk and uh you Oh, but what's going to happen to my, you know, to to to because God gave me this ability? He gave me this ability to entertain, to serve, to give, to share, to show my talents. Yes, you give this also. And some people give it, some people give it right back. I also made prayer like that. I asked God listen please I want to give you back all the meanings you gave me all the meanings of each thing the names and the meanings of please take it because it's become trouble for me all the meaning and including even I this eye was my biggest trouble because it became an eye of separation so the prayer was I offer even my eye to you please. Then it will get cleaned and put back because he needs the eye to be there. All the things that the the supreme manifest in this form called nana. Everything is there is for somehow because you needed to have this experience to have this experience and to develop in discernment and inner power and light. But don't make the mistake of thinking that each of those things or collectively all of them can compare with the glory of God in you. So that takes faith and takes courage. When we live in the world and the world provides gives so many things you can have this look what you can do this negotiate. So you have come to a high level of consciousness that brought you to this to this point to say you can choose. The game can go on in in the way of personhood and the adventures and misadventures of personhood or you can come into the fullness of your being as pure consciousness. And let me tell you, no one experiences greater joy and the purity of life like one awakened to themsself. Your heart is lacking nothing at all. But the head will keep on trading. It's like that. I don't know if each of you listening is really hearing me in the right way because it's almost like the mind is going but why should I have to give up all my sweeties? And they're like, "Who wants your sweeties? They're not that sweet." It's a It's just a making higher choices and experiencing them immediately also. This is it. You nothing is of any value, nothing of any value will be lost by you becoming fully awake. You see, it's like, oh, I'm abandoning I'm abandoning the world prematurely. No no no. This is not anything new to you. This is a whole old whole trick been playing. Um, it's not that it's not that the life is asking you to return your senses or give me back the senses, give me back this, give me back that. But see them with clear eyes. See them with the clarity of your being. You are not an accident. You are the conscious expression of God's grace and power. I am not here. I'm not preaching any religion to anybody. I'm speaking on the basis of consciousness. something that without which you have no you are not even aware of your existence. So I keep it in that term. I'm not going to have to use any term that people oh I don't believe I don't believe I'm trying to say what I shared with everyone about this exercise is anybody from any walk of life can take it and not feeling that oh I had to give up my I have to give up my this I have to give up no I ask you not even to give up anything do the exercise learn the power of observing and with detachment that is one the greatest power god give to observe with detachment more and more and if you feel well no there's something that is so attached observe this also and and just hold on to your being even I'm not asking you to weigh one thing against another thing I'm just saying hold on to the sense of being don't sell out to the mind just be its witness stand apart as the witness of whatever beautiful ugly things doesn't matter don't get involved and Just be aware just like you are now and and and keep the power of your awareness onto yourself that you're conscious that you're witnessing and that you don't have to make any judgments about it and so fix your attention only on being. Now beingness is not an object of attention. It's not like you can look at the beingness. Oh, it's over there. You know it is so one with you that everything else is else. Everything else is watched from the awareness that you are. I say can you stay as the awareness and even when the mind is calling you come take shape and play with me you see and then you start to feel its pull and in that conscious recognition you realize that wait a second I didn't sign an agreement to for this that something can play so fully in in my mind throughout my waking day that if I choose to be independent dependent of it. It seems to still have power. And by this exercise, it will change that. It will change that. It will bring you back to feel the fullness, the completeness, the richness and the grace of your heart as it is. And you have to remember when you wake up, your mind is not your enemy. The mind will more be like an enemy to the ego or the personal identity. because it cannot intimidate your pure heart. It can only intimidate and distract your personal identity or ego. So all of what I'm sharing with you can already begin to transition today right now. Like it is like that. You see? So I'm so I'm so happy I I chose you. I saw you to call you and see because this is a very important conversation and I see it is coming up. It came up with uh with Shimi before we talked same thing the sense of choice and you know the world sometimes feel like has a stronger pull because of habit habit and uh and unchecked habit. So now with the exercise we are learning to check and to check in and to see the cost of the habit that you may have been saying things you don't deeply agree with and doing things you don't truly agree with because the run of this habit and in various cultures we have different names for that and they're not so good. You must rest back here. How far a journey is it to be here? So this is the this is the this uh is the place the auspicious opportunity and timing that life has brought you to that place. And it's it's not that somebody's going to push you off a cliff. I want to conscious I want you to be conscious. And uh it's not that you're consciously every part you're negotiating but just consciously you make a choice. You say I choose this and help me to to to fulfill this choosing and the power is there to do this. Because when you have made the higher choices in your life, the universal consciousness totally supports that. It also supports you when you made low choices because it gave you the power to choose. and to taste the fruit of your choice. But now it's offering you now you come to make high choice and you will not regret it. No one has ever as far as I know awakened to the truth of themsel come back to their heart and regretted it. One time in India, I had a friend, we had a friend, a doctor in India and he was um he was very lovely my guy young young doctor. He used to come and see me in Rishiesh when we were having satsang some years ago and he was spending his time in a very auspicious place the cave of the sage Vashista Vashista cave. He was staying there and he used to come and visit me and one day he was visiting and he he shared this thing with me. He said, "I met a man who became awake. He has been awake from I don't remember. You remember how long? Something like 12 years or something. He's been awake for many years." And then he fell back into delusion. I was so I was so shoveled up. I said, "No, it's not possible. Not possible except as a sign of God for some other higher reason." How is it possible? No sir, bring me to this man. Bring this man to me or bring me to I want to meet someone like that because I cannot accept that that is so. You cannot wake up to the the fullness of who you are beyond even this bodily manifestation to the fullness of yourself, your eternal being and fall back into delusion. I said, "No, he must have been keeping something. He must have been keeping some." Chim Jimmy can listen to me. He must have been keeping something there to say yes I'm 99.9% with you father but this one little 0.1% please let me keep this and that's going to inflate must be something like that and we are not having any machine to count how much percentage it's just the percentage is just your heart your intention your earnestness you see there's nobody but God than yourself can measure that just your earnest. I am I will this. I choose this. And as you move more fully into the light of your choice, you may feel that it becomes even more brighter. Say, "Oh, I keep choosing this because of the love you feel, because of the joy you feel, because of the freedom you feel. And you may realize, oh my gosh, for a long time I've been holding you at bay. I've been holding you at arms length because I'm saying, I'm on my way. I'm coming. let me just fulfill my left hand. You see, so it's like that. Sometimes we speak these things and sometimes it may bring up a sense of discomfort in some people. But uh but it's a healthy discomfort. It's a healthy because it means that there's something being recognized that wait a second. I just put that in the basket of God too. Meaning I'm not holding on to any I'm not making any compromise when it comes to freedom. Put everything. Offer everything. And you offer everything and you still have everything left. How amazing. What kind of thing is this? So wonderful. Thank you. Thanks to you. Thanks to you. And wonderful that we can have an opportunity in our retreat space to come to this place to talk about this also. Thank you. Okay. All right. Okay. What was I going to say now? That um I am such in my heart that I have nothing in the universe that I putting and saying okay this part is not good. every form, every religion, every nation, every person, everything like that. God is God over all of them. So I accept them in my heart. I have nobody to say yes, this one is this. No, no, I'm not with them. I'm with this one. Don't become a specialist in your spiritual search. If you're going to be a specialist, specialize in being totally single-minded in your intention just to be free. And along the way, you get, you know, you get little appetizers, little things to encourage you. Yeah. Take another step and take more step. The mind will say it's a trap. But the mind is the biggest trap. Thank you. We will talk with you. Okay. Thank you. Very good. [Music]