Rupert Spira: Could Being Aware Affect the Experience of Death?

I have two questions. I realize you may only have time for one, so the second one's more important, but I briefly wanted to say 5 MEO DMT um also known as the toad is considered the crown jewel of psychedelics. I don't know if you have any familiarity with it or or not. >> I've heard of it, but no more. >> Yeah, it's b to it's basically a rocket ship to the heart of God. Everything is gone. It's just nothing left but love. And it's been very impactful in my life. Um the accessibility to being a pure being, it's really become greater and greater uh during my daily sits. But my more important question is about death. And from your point of view, uh, in that transition period when the heart stops beating and the and the brain stops, uh, I'm going to anticipate that you, well, I'll just listen to what you have to say, but somebody in your position who's very very familiar with primordial being as opposed to somebody who's not and even more so somebody who's been, for a lack of a better word, a real jerk their whole life in addition to having no familiarity with their true nature. What do you see as the, you know, if you can talk to that for a moment? Um, >> Patrick, I I'm not a very good person to ask about psychedelics. Um, >> well, the second question is more important. >> The the the because to to me it's a it's a very long way round. Um, why would you go to your true nature virus substance when you when you can just go straight there? >> Just you don't have to take a substance. You don't have to go anywhere. You just you can just go straight there. So really the the the royal road to your true nature is not any psychedelic. The royal road to your true nature I I would suggest is what we did this morning, a little bit less sensational, not so exotic, much better for your health. And you just go directly to your being, directly to God's being. Why take the long way round? Why go virus substance? But apart from anything else, it if you can only get there when you're taking a substance, then either you've got to take an awful lot of it or but you're being you can go directly to your being 24/7 wherever you are under all circumstances all the time. Why rely on a substance? >> Yeah, I agree and uh resonate with that. Uh the second part about the transition. >> Sorry, what was the second part, Patrick? >> About death. >> About death. >> Death is more Yeah, I just >> about death >> from somebody who's awakened and very familiar with being as opposed to somebody who's >> our being is like the space in this room. It did not come into existence when this building was was built. It seems to have acquired the limitations of the four walls of this room, but in fact it hasn't. And when this building it is one day taken down, which it inevitably will be will be, nothing happens to the space. It it won't suddenly be limited. Sorry. It won't suddenly be liberated from its confines because it was never limited by them in the first place. That the space in in in this room is is even now the vast space of the universe. It seems to be contained within this building but is not really. So our being is like that. It seems to have come into existence when the body was born. It seems to have acquired the limitations of the body during its existence. And most people think that it will disappear when the body dies. But that's like believing that this space will disappear when the body when this building is demolished. It's just a simplistic mistake. Our being, there is only infinite being. Just like there's only one vast space in the universe. It seems to be enclosed in this building and there seems to be one space for all the buildings on on on the earth. But in other words, there seem to be innumerable different spaces just like there seem to be innumerable different beings or people. But but there aren't. That's an illusion. There's just being infinite being God's being in religious terms. It wasn't confined to or limited by or generated by our bodies in the first place. It doesn't now share the our being doesn't now share the limitations of our body. That's something that's easy to check in your experience. And when we die, when the body dies, our being will not suddenly be liberated because it was not separate from the one being to begin with. It it is that now your being is now the only being there is infinite being God's being. So for that one that there's no death. There was no birth there's no death. That the birth and death pertain to the body. It's like the birth and death. This building begins and this building will end but the space doesn't begin and end. It's the same with our being. >> Yes. and uh being a student of yours for a long time, I think we're all committed to that awakening while we're alive to to the best of our ability. >> Patrick, don't don't think about awakening. That's like thinking about lighting up the sun in the morning. Your being is already wide awake. Your being is already everything it could ever be. You just recognize that, see that, see that clearly. And you can see that now. >> Mhm. >> You don't have to wait for 10 years time for something extraordinary to happen. That nothing extraordinary is going to happen. So for people who have had um uh let's just say bad karma for instance and do you does everybody fall into that you know at the time of death as uh based on how you lived your life does it matter? There's nothing to suggest that the mind that that is our thoughts, images and and so on uh doesn't continue after death. There's nothing to suggest that it the mind dies when the body dies. But um but the the content of our minds whatever the content of our minds is now let alone after we die but the content of our mind now does not affect who we are. The awareness with which you are knowing your current experience is in exactly the same condition as the awareness that knew your experience when you were a 5-year-old boy. So all the experiences you've had between now and being a 5-year-old boy, they have not touched the awareness with which you were aware of all those experiences. The awareness itself remains in exactly the same condition. Nothing that you've experienced in your life, nothing that you've thought, nothing that you felt, nothing that you've experienced, nothing that you've done affects awareness. So no, your your karma has has no effect on awareness at all. It's easy to just I want to make sure that this is you're not just intellectually agreeing with me. Patrick, t take this experience now. You're you're you're listening to our conversation. Presumably, you're having thoughts, maybe feelings, the sensation of your hand on the mic, your legs on the chair, the temperature of the air on your skin. This is the content of your experience. Yes. And you are aware of it. >> Yeah. Now rewind a few hours. Go to breakfast this morning. You were in the dining room. Different thoughts, different feelings, different sensations, different perceptions, but you were aware of them. Yeah. That that's your experience. That was your experience. Now we we understand that the thoughts, feelings, sensations, and perceptions in both these instances are different. But what about the awareness that is aware of your current experience and the awareness that was aware of breakfast? In your experience, was there any difference between those two instances of awareness? >> No, not only do I agree with you intellectually, >> it's your experience. >> I could sense it. >> Yeah. You sense it. It it it's obvious. It's obvious that that which experienced breakfast this morning is exactly the same as that which experiences this experience. And indeed any experience that which experienced your experience as a 5-year-old boy is the identical light of pure knowing pure awareness as the awareness that is knowing this experience. So awareness is never and it is this is our experience. Awareness itself, the awareness that illuminates or knows our experience is never itself modified by experience. So whatever we experience when we die when when the body unravels and disintegrates and the mind goes through whatever transformation it goes through at death the awareness that is aware of the dying body and the transforming mind nothing happens to it. I guess the final clarification very quickly is Yes. Yes. And if somebody has not touched or awareness in their experience because you know we're we're caught up in the you know in the in the conditioning u their whole life. Is that transition as seamless as it would be for somebody who's had years and you know whatever a long time resting in that on that path? >> I if we awareness uh have totally lost ourselves in the content of experience during our life. Then the chances are that whatever the mind goes through during the transition we call death that we awareness will continue to be lost in it. Then so to the extent that we are now that we awareness are now free of the content of experience during our life I think it's safe to assume that we awareness will be free to the same extent >> of the content of our experience when we go through whatever it is that death entails for us. >> Now that's the clarification I was looking for. Thank you for patiently walking me through that. Thank you.