The Secret War of the Anunnaki Explained

uh in the story of the flood across all the cultural tellings of that story in Mesopotamia and into the biblical story that the Bible's Elohim stories are a retelling of the Sumerian anunaki stories and war against one another and thousands of human beings are slaughtered in the conflict between them they're referred to collectively as the sa hashamayim which recalls how they arve they're the Airborne armies M anunaki what are they you might ask can be angels can be landlords um it has this great elasticity to it sometimes it takes singular verbs sometimes it takes plural verb and this was a seal that belonged to a senior Jewish figure called the yoa so this is a seal that he's going to use to certify documents to seal letters [Music] aome awesome [Music] [Music] [Music] hey everyone it's Billy Carson AKA Forbidden Knowledge welcome to Bible study is hosted by myself and also my very good friend Paul Anthony Wallace he's an internal ly known bestselling author whose books probe the world's ancestral narratives for their insight into human Origins and human potential as a senior Churchman Paul served for 33 years as a church doctor theological educator and Arch Deacon which is just one down from a bishop Paul's best-selling Eden series endorsed by Eric Von dankin and the highly regarded astrophysicist Professor ail lob has made him the go-to guy in the field of paleo contact as the host of of fifth kind TV and El Kinto Tipo Paul's documentaries and interviews are watched by millions of people worldwide born in buckinghamshire England Paul enjoyed seasons of the life in bath Nottingham Portsmouth and London for a 10year period he commuted between homes in the UK and Montreal's West Island later settling on the East Coast of Australia his global travels have included horse tracking around the Waters of the Sierra Nevada in the depths of the Grand Canyon and the foothills of the Himalayas Paul has swam in the piranha infested Amazon and also in the Red [Music] Sea he has parachuted both in Britain and Australia and survived charging rhinoceros in zomia more importantly his peaceful pilgrimages have included India Egypt Zimbabwe Brazil France Belgium Germany Switzerland Portugal Spain Italy Greece turkey Hong Kong and Singapore he's even of course visited New Zealand as a theological educator Paul designed and delivered inservice training for pastors of churches in the UK Korea West Africa and Australia from the 1990s to the 2000s all the way through the 2010s delivering courses on the history of Christian thought and biblical hermeticus which are the principles of interpreting actual texts ordained 34 years ago in St Paul's Cathedral in London Paul's work included planting six new churches in angelican and charismatic streams from the 1980s through the 2000s in the 2000s he provided consultancy for angelican and non-aligned grassroot churches as a church doctor and Arch deacon in the angelican church in Australia Paul designed and delivered conflict resolution Community healing and appointment processes in the 2000 through 2010s it was Paul's studies in the hermeticus and the history of Christian thought which led him from The Familiar Cannons of mainstream preaching into the world of paleo contact ancestral narratives and contemporary contact phenomena in Australian by choice Paul's Heritage is primarily English Welsh and gadian with deep ancestry in West Africa Switzerland and Denmark Paul is married to Ruth the founder of see my curls and oze for men Ruth is of ganian Heritage and together they have three children and live in Australia's East Coast Paul is a musician a Mystic an enthusiastic chef and Barefoot Walker please welcome to the show Paul Anthony Wallace so welcome to the first episode of Bible study with Billy car and Paul Wallace how you doing Paul good day Billy It's Great To Be With You Yes Man good day I see we both got our Spectacles on I yes we were just saying it's kind of a write of Passage when that happens yeah yeah you know for a long time it's just like oh it's never going to happen to me but I did receive a little corny of damage from filming on a a sound stage and uh the bright light shining lesson learned for 16 hours a day it gave me a little cornea damage so now unfortunately I need these yeah well I I first got specs when I was 14 when I became a bit shortsighted but now I'm at the stage of do I want to look in the distance or read my notes and I need two different prayers of specs for that I haven't yet gone for the multifocals yeah yeah I understand so obviously um you know the reason why we started this podcast is because we wanted to be able to analyze deeper a lot of the ancient texts biblical texts and different texts from even around the world it could be the Torah it could be the Quran it could be many different texts but you being one of the foremost expert in a lot of this information as you had been involved in the church for 33 years uh I thought you would be the perfect person to do this with me and to uh eventually really teach me some things as well because it's a lot of knowledge that you have in your head that I don't have in mine yet well I I'm looking forward to this too because people know me as the Paleo contact guy right paleo contact in case people don't know is the theory that in the Deep past our ancestors had contact experiences with other civilizations but my route into that has been through my studies of the Bible 33 years in church-based Ministry I was a theological educator training Pastors in htics which is the principles of interpreting ancient texts right and it was really that work that got me into this field and I was absolutely sold out on the traditional mainstream Orthodox view of the Bible I was an arch Deacon in the Anglican Church in Australia that's one down from a bishop and so my life was really wedded to a particular way of reading the Bible but through now what 40 Years of preaching from it and 50 years of training pastors to study it it has forced me to engage with those texts at a deeper level and to see things in the text that actually don't fit with our conventional tellings gotcha that makes a lot of sense you know I'm not an expert in biblical text and I don't pretend to be um I I make um you know statements or theories or ideas about what I've seen and what I've perceived to understand in text and a lot of the um religious texts and comparing it to a lot of the ancient texts one thing that I found and you can tell me if I'm on the right or wrong path is I found that there seems to be a lot of incredible parallels between ancient text and biblical text I see stories kind of being extremely similar in certain areas where it seems as if since these ancient texts were a little bit older than the biblical text it seems as if some of it was somehow copied or Rewritten or reinterpreted and put into some of the newer text well this is something that every Pastor learns when they go to Seminary or theological College I did my theology degree at the University of Nottingham and you were confronted with the fact that the Bible has sources that the biblical writers have had other sources before them which they have used in some fashion to shape the familiar stories of well we take them as stories of God but I I argue not all of them are the stories of the Elohim and the stories of Yahweh some of those are a retelling of Mesopotamian story now Christians didn't know this until the 1800s and it was only after we found the translation key the beun incription that allowed us to read the ancient Kun forms from out of ancient Sumeria Babylonia Arcadia and Assyria began recognizing stories that they already knew from the Bible and so it was a serologists like George Smith writing in 1876 and Nathaniel Schmidt writing in 1896 who started pointing out these parallels and the very high probability that the Mesopotamian texts were the sources and if you get hold of an academic Bible a um an extended Study Edition of the New Jerusalem Bible for instance they're very open about this Source dependence so we learn about this at University we learn about this when we study theology but then the question comes well what does that mean what's the significance of that and there are Scholars who said oh well clearly the biblical writers were aware of the anuna of Sumeria the anunaki of Babylonia they knew these stories they have summarized them but a scholar like Michael Heiser would say they've inverted the stories they know the stories they've given another version but they've given a little twist because they're teaching something new but there are are problems with that and one problem is um are you going to base a true story something that's going to be claimed as divine revelation on a false story what is the logic of that and I find and I argue for this in my books particularly the Eden conspiracy and escaping from Eden that when we find the summary forms in Genesis 1 Genesis 3 Genesis 6 Genesis 11 Deuteronomy 32 Psalm 82 all those would be examples of where the biblical writers have summarized a Mesopotamian story there's no inversion there's no twist to it only the names of the characters have been changed and you're given a shorter form and some of the correlations are very detailed and very close and the Noah story is probably a great example of that where the uh the aras's story talks about the releasing of a number of birds to confirm that the flood is receding and Noah releases one Bird yeah in the story of the flood across all all the cultural tellings of that story in Mesopotamia and into the biblical story there's only a 4% variance of the volume of that escape vessel given from all the measurements that are in those texts so the dependence is very very clear and the question I ask in my books is what are the implications of acknowledging that the Bible's Elohim stories are a retelling of the Sumerian anunaki stories and the Eden series really follows the logic of those questions yeah yeah absolutely um you know I was going through the enuma Elish uh and really combing through it up and down inside and out and then I saw just a lot of similarities uh between the enish and the uh the Genesis story and I was just like blown away that these correlations or these similarities were so extreme and uh if you you know I don't know if you were going to go into that today but I did have a little bit of a breakdown that I wanted to go over sure yes Phil free one that struck me on my most recent reading is there there are even names that correlate Ashera in the Bible is ashari in the anuma Alish and they are credited with exactly the same thing so I think you're on the money there Billy yeah yeah even Marduk is or depending on how you want to pronounce it Marduk or Marduk he's in the ancient Samaran tab spe specifically even in the Unum Elish but he's also in the Torah and he's also in the Bible so we see this name carried over from even much more ancient text that goes back thousands of years which is pretty interesting yes it is interesting and see all those things were being spotted back in the 1800s so it's known at an academic level pastors come across this information while they're being trained doing their theological iCal degrees and their higher degrees but unfortunately information doesn't filter down into the rank and file of the churches so when you start speaking about this publicly it comes as a huge shock uh to a lot of mainstream Christians and and you get a lot of push back from it and very often I say to people who are giving me push back well go and talk to your theological faculty get into a lock room with your pastor and ask about what he learned at theological college and you may be surprised at how much of what I'm talking about is known at that level right absolutely I mean you went through the full process so if anybody would know you would know especially after being involved in the church for 33 years which is incredible you know um just a couple of similarities I wanted to break down that I that I was able to just find and this is so easy to do I think --- ble and think well they must be right because you know there are genuine spiritual experiences happening in the church Community except it didn't all add up and I had questions why do we treat the Bible as if it sort of came down in a bubble when clearly there's a story to it it's it's evolved it was written by different people why do we approach it that way why do we approach this part this way and this part in a totally different way why do you seem to take this bit literally and this bit you you you don't take literally and the questions I was asking were not getting very good answers even a basic one like so where did the New Testament come from and I couldn't get my answers and it wasn't really it was I think that was what gave me the urge to go further to start studying theology to go to the University of Nottingham I went to the University of b first to study I did four terms of languages and Linguistics that stood me in really good stad to go and do theology which I did at the University of Nottingham and also at the uh Institute of pastoral Regional the pambuko in Brazil also studied at the uh Institute maavi in Florence and I went with all these questions that I still needed settling yeah and of course I found out of course the Bible evolved of course there was a process in which it came to be an order in which things arrived moments in history when it was canonized and the Canon was changed and all this of course the Bible has a story and as soon as you start studying the history of the Bible and again I'm not saying anything controversial anyone who's a trained Theologian knows about this history it really makes impossible a fundamentalist reading of the Bible you can no longer regard it as if every word was dictated you know by God you begin seeing it as a document within history uh with questions that you might want to take to it and if you're not going to read it fundamentally in a fundamentalist way then how do you read it what what are the questions you take to the text and so at that point my faith in the Bible didn't diminish I became more interested in it but my questions were different what is the history of this where do it come from what is the information in it what is the information that is reliable what's the information that's going to help me if I'm looking to evolve as a person and a spiritual being yeah incredible that's an incredible story man it is kind of a parallel story to mine um except of course you went all the way into the academic aspect of it and followed it through all the way to an incredible I mean level I mean that's just that's just so powerful that you're this is why when I talk to you every time I talk to you and we talk about these topics even others I always feel like I'm talking to a great teacher and I'm not just patting you on the back I really do I tell Elizabeth this all the time because your your method your understanding your knowledge is so embedded in you and that you have it it just flows out naturally uh and your academic prowess is so evident and the work that you put in man over the years to get to this level off to you because it's it's amazing well thank you I really appreciate you saying that my position is really not so different to most Pastors in the world who have got a theological degree who've done that further study most pastors find themselves in a position of wanting to develop the thought life of their congregations so they will they will probably not read the Bible in a fundamentalist way they will be aware of uh questions of contradictions for instance between gospels and it doesn't worry them because they don't read the Bible that way but their calculation is always how how far can I carry my congregation uh how much can I share with them before they say sorry Pastor you've departed from the script we're all used to we we prefer the the old way of looking at things yeah and so though people might think wow Paul's way out to the left field of the Orthodox mainstream if you get a lot of pastors behind closed doors you'll find oh actually no he isn't he's just followed the logic a bit further and he's being more open about his conclusions and I'm in contact with pastors all around the world who fully understand my work understand the credibility behind it and are asking themselves how much of this can I share with my congregations before the teaching relationship breaks gotcha and it's is not an easy calculation because even though academic theologians have known what we were saying before about the dependency of the Bible on the Mesopotamian Corpus most people in our churches haven't even heard of the anuma Alish or the myth of adapa or The Ataris tablet or the Epic of gilgames um my books the Eden series are really I am hoping I can help people run to catch up with all of that because ultimately it's empowering information there is important information in the Bible which we miss if we read it all as God's story and disregard that we're getting uh a reiteration of even older stories absolutely I agree with other points to make yes absolutely I agree 100% And just like there's great information in the biblical text there's great information like you just said in the ancient text that if you apply to your life you can actually get a positive and incredible result it's just a matter of knowing what do you keep and what do you discard right so it works both ways it works both ways yes yeah absolutely um what else do we have on the on on today's teaching on today's Bible study what else do we have what what other information can we bring forward uh to Enlighten people today I think for me one of the interesting questions is is how we approach scripture what qu questions we take to it and certainly I know that in my Evangelical days my questions were all about historicity what happened what really happen What can we prove because then we can build our argument for Christianity on that and so the historicity of Christianity is something it's always discussed if you go on an alpha course or if an evangelist is preaching to you but one of the challenges of that is we do not have any contemporaneous report if we go into the stories of Jesus we have no contemporaneous report on Jesus other than what is in the the Christian documents so the the canonical gospels Matthew Mark Luke and John and the extra canonical gospels so how can we confirm that information we might look for internal consistency do they validate each other and to an extent they do and to an extent there are some very surprising contradictions so that internal cons consistency is a question mark but then when you look for external coroporation there's nothing yeah we are one degree removed from it we can get back to writers like tacitus suetonius plenny Josephus and they were all writing in the uh sort of 100s sort of period and they're talking about uh the practice and beliefs of the Primitive Christians so we can get back to there but what we don't have is local reportage from the time I saw Jesus down the street today didn't amazing rally some people got healed there's nothing like that no Roman records relating to him and so there's this big question mark over the historic historicity of Christianity so that's why there's a bit of debate around that people often ask me do I believe in an historical Jesus with with the lack of that evidence and I do personally because I think it's easy to track how the Roman Empire hijacked and then distorted the Christian story yes and I don't think it would have needed to do that if there wasn't an authentic Jesus story prior that was inconvenient to the Empire yeah so that makes me very confident that there really was a Jesus and an original Jesus tradition but historicity was not the be all and end all to the early Christians so if you go to someone like Justin Mar who was martyred for his faith mhm his big argument was not our story is a history and yours a rubbish his argument was you talk about uh figures in your stories you Romans you Greeks you talk about Resurrection you talk about Ascension you talk about Sons and Daughters of Zeus you need to let us make the same claims for our Jesus thank you very much we're not saying anything new we just want to say about our Jesus what you're saying about your figures that's very different from the argument for historicity that a lot of apologists are interested in today so I think if you're if you're looking for historicity then you tend to focus all your interest on the on the earliest gospels and the canonical gospels the one that cohere with Orthodoxy whereas my interest is a little bit different to that I like to go even earlier than that to the very earliest sources and so a lot of scholars believe the Gospel of Thomas is probably the earliest gospel and I think there are a form analytical clues in the text that that's what you're looking at it's not finessed it's not accommodated to other gospels it's not accommodated to Orthodoxy it's primitive document we have Thomas we have q which is the common written Source used by Matthew and Luke and we have the original version of the Gospel of Mark and you can find the original version in the codec anticus yeah uh the gospel of Mark is there but there's no Resurrection narrative correct so in Thomas q and Mark you've got sayings and in Mark Deeds as well but no Resurrection narrative and that tells us that there were communities of Faith producing literature for whom that was not a central part of the story which I find very intriguing so I love going back to the beginning Beginnings looking what primitive Christianity was before the Orthodox isation began but then I'm interested in how it developed as well so I'm interested in the other gospels the Gospel of Mary Magdalene the gospel of Phillip um pistus Sophia text like that because they tell me what other Christian communities were thinking what their beliefs were about Jesus and some of these are pretty early I mean the Gospel of Mary Magdalene the uh earliest fragment of that is earlier than the earliest fragment we have for the gospel of Matthew that's a fact so it's not that they're much much later they're very very close in time written in the 200s and they tell us what Christians believed at that point what their wisdom teachings were and if I'm going to those texts I'm going with different questions I might be going with wisdom questions as well if I'm looking for teachings about Ascension how to evolve how to become more than I am those texts really major on questions like that yeah and so I think sometimes it's easy to talk across purposes because people's interest in the Bible is different some want to prove history some want to prove Orthodoxy I'm interested in what the early Christians believed and what wisdom they have for me to take away so I think it's worth acknowledging that yeah absolutely I mean there are different perspectives and different perceptions and even different agendas based on the person that's trying to interpret the text and so people will look at different versions and claim that you know some some cases people will claim they're always they always have the right version uh of the story or that their uh that their telling of it is accurate but as I'm now talking to you I'm realizing that there's many different there's many different versions and and many different interpretations and even different eras of time where the stories have been written uh and you can get sometimes like you say a more clearer view when you go deeper into the past which is why I love studying ancient texts and tablets because you're going far beyond what anyone else has um you know has taken and and utilized for a base and sometimes I think that gets you as closer to the truth as possible yes I mean I'm interested in the Kaleidoscope of theology that was Christian Christianity in the beginning I'm very very familiar with Orthodoxy that was my world for a very very long time but I've always been curious to know well what did the Christians believe before the canonization of the New Testament what did the --- an't be used in Harvest festivals those priesthoods which were Jewish priesthoods set up by Jewish Kings had to be disbanded or slaughtered and now we've just got this much simpler world where there is one God Yahweh and one King and one high priest and one temple in Jerusalem all your tithes are going to go to that so uh this narrative shift happens this reform happens it begins with a rich ual reform and then the scriptures themselves are put together and redacted into what we would know today yeah just this year in Jerusalem we found an object from a moment just before all those reforms started taking place and this was a seal that belong to a senior Jewish figure called yoa so this is a seal that he's going to use to certify documents to seal letters to put his imp premature on things very very important item to him uh that really stands for his authority and his Integrity senior Jewish figure what's the picture on that seal it's an Assyrian dingier or Genie or anunaki yeah you know the classic winged anunaki he saw no conflict between his world view and having an anari on his ring for his seal because at that time Judaism still spoke about the Elohim still remembered the sa hashamayim still remembered what they looked like because the Jerusalem Temple hadn't been defaced so you could no longer see images of them the nushan hadn't been confiscated so you could no longer see what looked like and in their minds the Elohim of Judaism were all part of this wider family of stories of Elohim tinger anunaki and Nuna there was no conflict right and that is a real object discovered just this year to tell you that Judaism was something different before these ritual and narrative changes were brought in right absolutely that's just incredible then you see that object you're going to go back and you're G to read the Bible differently yeah I want to see this thing again we're going to superimpose it over over this video it just just incredible I remember reading in the Old Testament it said um uh they came across the anak and we were grasshoppers in their eyesight uh so a reference there to some really big people uh and they call them the ano which I thought was interesting since you know the ancient texts talk about the anunaki and the anuna it seems like there's referen of these beings as many different names all around the world that's right I mean in the plural they're referred to as the anakim which sounds strangely like anunaki and you've got uh anak and the anak torians uh in another part of the world you've got anak with a q in the Muslim tradition um and the idea of there being much bigger people living in the world does repeat all around the world it seems to be a bit of a taboo these days to talk about Giants or or people who are much much bigger in the past I don't know why it's become a taboo it wasn't in the 19th century when we were digging up giant finds and it wasn't if you go to Josephus he's completely unembarrassed by these stories and he says in his writing the Greek Legends of the Titans that's really their version of our memories of people like the anakim and the um the men of renown produced through hybridization in Genesis 6 so Josephus saw these stories as as referring to real cultural memory of sharing the planet with much bigger people and I wonder also if there are memories of the time when we did share the planet with the gigantopithecus and with the denisovans and with the Chinese dragon people and with homo Flor Enis and the neander tals there was a time when the the human type was much much more diverse yes and we shouldn't be surprised to have cultural stories that seem to carry that memory so I don't know why there's such a tuo around it today yeah absolutely I know it's just uh why the taboo I don't even know um but I think a lot of it has to do with a lot of fear I think a lot of people have been put in a fear State when it comes to um their religion and this fear prevents them from asking looking deeper researching deeper trying to get a better understanding because I think in some ways they think that they're offending their God or that's at least what I think they believe yes I think um some people construct their Faith Like A Jenga Tower um you know these uh don't if you've ever played Jenga blocks you build a to and then you have to pull little pieces out and see if the towels still stand up yeah and I think some people carry their faith in that way and if you start pulling out a piece down here like oh do we have to read the Bible in a fundamentalist way were there giants was Asher a real entity is Elohim really plural they think if you pull that piece out the whole Tower is going to collapse and they won't have anything left whereas uh I think is more helpful to have all your jenger pieces on the table so you can pick them up one at a time and look at it and talk about it and consider what's going on there and when you go to theological College to train for the ministry or if you go to university and study theology as I did they force you to put all the janga pieces on the table we're going to look at them you know one at a time we're going to do different courses over three or four years so we can look at these things individually and it can be scary for people because they think am I going to be able to put that tow back together again because I get a lot of comfort from my faith and it seems to explain my life and experiences that I have I don't want to be in a position where I can't put it back together again and um I think it's that kind of fear that comes in whereas someone who's sort of been through that process a couple of times because it happened when I did my honest degree in Theology and then it happened again when I started studying the Mesopotamian sources and had to go back to the Bible to reand what was there there is a little bit of reframing that has to go on it can be unsettling but for me it is incredibly enriching for me truth can only be enriching can only be empowering even if there's a little bit of uncertainty on route right absolutely um yeah this is an incredible discussion man this is really really good I'm glad we decided to do this because I'm getting a lot of incredible confirmation from you and I'm also learning so much as well because um you're giving me a lot of key points that I I know myself now I want to go back and dig into and research and look at it and gain some of my own perspectives as well which is important I think everyone should be able to do that everyone should have the right to uh ask questions to dig deeper to not be afraid to research and to and to look into uh what they believe in without feeling any type of punishment or or or or anything that's going to come to harm them I think that I think I I believe it's my god-given right to be able to look deeper into into anything I come across yes I think so I think uh there are four forms of Christianity that have discouraged curiosity unfortunately so I mean there's this verse that often gets repeated um trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding uh and there's a you don't want to do that there's this doctrine of the Fall that says well your own understanding is impaired so you know better not get too far into the world of logic and reason because you're going to make a mistake and Chris can be made very anxious rather than curious yeah whereas I find especially when I read the gospels and I try to get to the root meaning of the key words in Jesus's teaching he's actually trying to stoke our curiosity there's plenty in the Old Testament as well from some of the later prophets and in the devotional writings that would want us to be Seekers truth Seekers explorers want us to be curious and I think it's a shame that very often both in Catholic and reformed Christianity Curiosity has been discouraged even to the point of the church pushing back on new science and new discoveries yeah I know it's uh you know there's a there's a verse because some people seem to get extremely agitated when they hear me talk uh about the fact that I believe that we are gods that God is a in us and we're inside of God in other words I believe that we're a fractal of God not that we're a God that we can we can create a universe but I believe in the fractal mathematics of the universe and which is a mathematical formula that has been discovered and well documented called the mandal BR set and that mandal BR set shows that we're living in this created reality so yes the Bible is right the Quran is right all these indigenous cultures around the world I believe they're accurate we're living in a creation it just describes the mathematics behind the creation and so if everything is a fractal throughout the entire known universe I believe that the a fractal of the god Consciousness the Divine energy itself is in every adom in my body so thereby I am a I am a fractal of God Walking In the Flesh so that God can know what is it like to experience life Through The Eyes of Billy Carson what is it like what is it like to experience life Through The Eyes of Paul Anthony Wallace yeah I I'm absolutely with you it's a very platonic way of seeing things and I see it that way too there's a moment in the gospel where people were accusing Jesus of equating himself with God and he says but doesn't the scripture say ye are all gods and then there's a wonderful definition of God uh the New Testament God given by the Apostle Paul in the book of Acts chapter 17 he has to he's talking to a non-religious audience so they're not Jewish Believers they're not Christian Believers so he needs to clarify what he means by God he's using the Greek word Theos and it gives a nice description of the Greek understanding of Theos their word for God the word that Jesus used and he said by Theos I mean the source of the cosmos and everything in it that in which we all live and move and have our being of which we are all Offspring yes and I love that because I think that's a definition of God that people Way Beyond the world of Faith could accept could do business with yeah it's saying my intelligence is a participation in one of the properties of the cosmos intelligence my Consciousness is a participation in the Consciousness that's endemic to the cosmos and it comes back to what you were saying the cosmos experiencing itself through what I see through what I hear through what I feel through what I experience and I find that a very empowering description of God because there's no separation in it you and I couldn't be closer to the source by Paul's definition there there's nothing we have to do to scramble back into the presence of God because we are all emanations of God ex I find it emping religion trades on separation anxiety religion trades on the idea that you and I are separated from God and you need to do a b and c to get into his good books because you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of him and we the priests or we the teachers will tell you how to do that it is a recipe for all kinds of psychological abuse and manipulations yeah which I've seen plenty of in the in the world of church ministry in my time as a minister and as a just as a church attend I see plenty of it and at the beginning of the Gospel there are some wonderful sayings from Jesus which you can find not only in the canonical gospels but in the extra canonical Gospels as well so in the gospel of Matthew we're told the message Jesus Ted with the beginning of his public Ministry and by the conventional translation it sounds like typical revivalist preacher grave warning trying to threaten you into into being a good believer the conventional translation is repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand and it sounds like he's saying you better clean your life up because God's about to show up you don't want to get on the wrong side of him and offend him and we hear that through the lens of later doctrines doctrines of Heaven and Hell and all that sort of thing sounds like a grave warning you go to the Greek go to the root meanings of those words and metano mean --- s work right exactly yeah it's unfortunate it really is unfortunate um yeah this is a great talk man this is this is going to be a very powerful podcast because I can see now how it's going to really educate a lot of people and I want people out there to make no mistake about it we're not here bashing Christians we're not attacking anybody we're laying out actual factual information that you can then go back and research for yourself and like I say and Paul says I think there's a a lot of great information in in the Bible I think there's a lot of great information in other religious texts as well it's just we're talking about today we're talking about discernment we're talking about understanding from different perspectives so you can gain a much broader view of everything and it doesn't mean that your God doesn't exist it doesn't mean that you've been you know you wasted your life it doesn't mean any of that but what it does mean is you know there's there's deeper broader more intriguing and incredible stories that we haven't really been able to to see because we've been given a forced closed view of what actually happened and without that other deeper level of understanding we might not get the better and bigger perspective of everything I think that's right I think one of the things that distorted our view is that for the best part of 2,000 years Christianity has presented the New Testament as if it's a continuation of the Old Testament you know you find them glued together with a a hard cover either side of them it suggests it's all one book all talking about the same thing all talking about the same God and as a follower of Jesus one thing I have had to do that's not been easy is to reframe that and understand no it's actually a story of discontinuity all the gospel writers and I think I'd say this is especially the canonical gospel writ writers are a pains to present Jesus as the successor to and replacement of Moses bringing teachings that will delete and replace the law and laws of Yahweh that's a story of discontinuity that's why Christianity has never been built on yahwist laws that's why in Acts 15 the early church came to the agreement that to be a follower of Jesus you don't have to be a yahwist that's why in Colossians Paul said that the written code was cancelled and wiped out through the life and death of Jesus and yet Christians around the world still feel somehow they have to justify Yahweh the figure of Yahweh and the stories around him and the laws he brought but uh is a story of discontinuity and I think that has been a real light bulb for me I it's been really liberating I think for me it allowed me to switch my conscience back on when I read the Old Testament because as you rightly say Billy it is full of violence uh full of gratuitous violence yeah uh done by these Elohim including Yahweh and as soon as you realize okay Jesus wasn't teaching us to follow Yahweh you can begin to evaluate those stories and if you evaluate those stories by Jesus's morality then you can fully see that um you're reading something appalling there are many reasons we would want to get rid of the laws in the Old Testament I mean here's the death penalty I just made some notes striking one's parents death penalty MH pronouncing a curse over one's parents death penalty going to an astrologer or doing divination like we're just talking about death penalty having a different religion death penalty adultery death penalty gay sex death penalty well I I for one am very pleased that Jesus came along with teachings to delete and replace all of that because I think that's terrible yeah what the Bible has to say about um uh slavery or rape is absolutely terrible there's a law in Deuteronomy 22 that says if a man rapes a virgin he can offer the father 50 shekels and keep her well what a fabulous law that is or uh Leviticus 25 when it comes to slavery only foreigners can be slaves it says and you can leave slaves to your kids as property really oh that's a great law isn't it and then that sort of overlaps with the behavior of the character of Yi himself who was deep into sex slavery if you go to numbers 31 the place i' encourage anyone to go and read and you'll find The Spoils of War being divided up and the uh virgins are being divided up among this group and that group the soldiers can keep some for their use and Yahweh is going to have some for his use and the priests are going to have some for their use so don't think when Yahweh wants cattle and gold and virgin girls that it's talking about the priests having those things that's a separate allotment in that list Yahweh has his own list so you should be asking a lot of questions there I mean this is not the creator of the universe this is an entity what does the entity want with those things as you begin to read it this way understand Yahweh is one of the Elohim other things begin to make sense you realize why in 1 Samuel 8 the leaders of the tribes of Israel did their level best to get rid of him and Sack him and replace him with a human leader makes no sense if Yahweh is the Transcendent God creator of the cosmos makes no sense at all soon as you bring it down to earth yeah realize that you're reading about Elohim SL anunaki governing over human beings unjustly brutally everything clicks into P place and you will begin to understand what all the drama of the Old Testament is about I actually think Christians should have a head start in this yeah I am not out there to debunk Christianity I'm there to say Christians wake up go back and read these stories in the light of Jesus's teaching M see the discontinuity between the old and the new and if if you're really not sure about it I've got some verses from John 8 I'd love to read because I think for me this was a real wakeup moment I'd always wondered about this passage but because of the one Bible thing Old and New Testament because I thought it's the same God from cover to cover I'd always puzzled around this soon as I realize its discontinuity it makes sense so here we are in John's gospel chapter 8 verse 27 it says they did not know they did not know that what Jesus was speaking about was the father so this is a reminder that Jesus never once spoke the word Yahweh he spoke about Theos that Greek word for God that Paul used and gave that wonderful definition for he spoke about father the one in the heavens he says and he addresses that God as Abba which means sir or daddy so that that's him in the canonical gospels and then Jesus is speaking in John 8 and he says I speak of what I have seen of the father you do what you have heard from your father so he's talking to Jewish leaders and he's saying my father's not the same as your father MH so for a start 8:41 you do the works of your father well who's he talking about who's their father who can that possibly be if it isn't Yahweh yeah and then he says verse 42 if Theos Greek word for God if Theos were your father you would have loved me because I came forth and have come from Theos there we are an emanation of the source verse 4 before you are of your father the devil and you are intent on doing the desires of your father now when he says the de the devil that doesn't necessarily mean there's only one devil and that their father is it but the devil is certainly not a compliment no you are of your father the devil and you are intent on doing the desires of your father he he was a murderer from the beginning well we've just been talking about that all the killings that Yahweh does and orders people to do not just soldiers but civilians uh not just men but women and children and babies we're talking about war crimes uh to use the modern language for it he was a murder from the beginning he didn't stand in or hold to or deal with truth because there is no truth in him when he lies that is his thing because he is a liar and the father of lies or it can mean a false father you claim that my father is your god I.E Yahweh but you do not know my father I do so he's proclaiming something completely new very different to the father of the Jewish leaders and it's new to his disciples as well so later in John's gospel Philip says Lord show us the father and that will be enough for us and Jesus says wow I've been with you so long Philip and yet you do not know me if You' seen me you've seen the father and we're back to that that emanation of of the source yeah and I'll just finish with another reference because again it was a light bulb moment for me when I saw it once I understood there's this discontinuity going on there's this cessation of the laws of Yahweh and Jesus is bringing something totally new and liberating he says and this comes up in Matthew's gospel and Luke's gospel he says which of you fathers if your children were hungry and thirsty would give them a stone or give them a snake H and many readers today would read that and say well that's that's ridiculous of course what kind of father would do that but not realize that the Jewish hearers would know straight away oh I can think of someone who did that that was uh that was in fact Yahweh yeah who gave a stone when people were thirsty who gave serpents to people who were hungry and anxious in the desert yep serpents can mean dragons uh fiery serpents which went and attacked the people again men women children babies attacked by snakes because they were desperate and fed up of emergency rations in the desert here's a stone I'll show you how to get water here snakes so that would have been the bell's ringing when Jesus said what kind of father does that to Hungry children yeah and then in that original story where all been written by snakes a brass dragon is created and lifted up and the order from Moses is cow toow cow toow to the dragon bow down to the dragon or you'll die and I have a Bible behind me where the heading over that story is yahweh's Mercy well if that's yahweh's Mercy yeah what does his wroth look like wow and uh that's why Jesus came to cancel the law and laws of Yahweh and replace it with something else that's why it was canceled wiped out according to Colossians 2:14 that's why we shouldn't regard those stories as having any purpose other than bringing people to Jesus that's what Paul says in the book of Galatians and that's why so many teachings are framed in the gospels when Jesus says you've heard it said Moses said but I say this and there is the story of continuity so Christians I think ought to have a head start and go back to the stories and say well if these are not stories about God what are they about and my book the Eden conspiracy asks that question and says there is a rich education waiting for us the Bible is full of truth I'm not here to debunk the Bible the Bible is full of truth but we've misunderstood it we've mistranslated it and once we get beyond our habitual religious um habitual translations there's a rich education waiting for us to empower us in our lives today absolutely amazing just amazing man you're a wealth of knowledge it's an honor to be on here with you and I'm looking forward to our next episode absolutely me too it's been a pleasure yes definitely all right everyone hey this is Bible study with Billy Carson and Paul Wallace if you got anything out of this make sure you share this video make sure you like And subscribe and uh make sure you do some research uh we brought up a lot of incredible sources throughout the course of this actual video so that you can go back and do your own research and we encourage that oh yes okay I I want to underline that I think we are well past the era where people should uh have gurus or be into expertis and our desire is to put out content that's really going to wet your appetite to go back to the sources for yourself go back to the texts get hold of your lexicons and work out for yourself what are they saying and then see if you find parallels in other stories as well because that's a journey I've enjoyed for myself and I I just encourage everyone to make their own journey in that kind of way absolutely and with that being said we'll see you next time [Music]