Astrology Masterclass with Debra Silverman

Astrology suggests as Einstein said, God's not playing with dice. It's not random. There's an event that occurs, there's a whole system around it, and the stars are directly related to the karma that you have been handed from past lives. I don't think there's a mystery anymore, that there's a continuum. This is ancient science. We just dropped in for almost 3 hours yesterday, and I'm a believer now. I never thought I'd be here. That session changed my life. A really good astrology reading, you should finish going, I felt so understood. And now I get it. That's what astrology's for, essentially, is to help you fall in love with you, so you can get on with the movie. Cuz you can't get rid of you. It doesn't go away. But there's a lot of people listening to this who spend way too much time alone, and they don't feel connected, mostly to themselves and their own chart. What are you doing here? Why did you incarnate? What is the purpose of incarnation if not to evolve? Right. To continually wake up inside the dream, and then play the role of the joy maker, of the lover, of the manifestor, of the artist. You get to choose, but we can't remember. There is a 13th sign that was found, but that's not the one I'm talking about. I've not gone public with this. Yes, please. new information. Well, Deborah, I anticipated starting this podcast saying, I don't believe in astrology. Cuz that's how I've spent most of my life. So I've heard. And I think one of the reasons is is I've just never seen something that quite fit what, you know, just the average amateur, I know your birth sign, I anticipate this, or I do a Google search and I see it, and I'm like, yeah, I get a little bit of that. But like it's much more complex than that. And so it's never really fit me, and I've also not understood the mechanism by which it would work. Although I did listen to a speech from Richard Tarnas Mhm. who explained that it was this co-arising in the cosmos. And so that opened my mind a little bit. But then, to bring us to the present, we just dropped in for almost 3 hours yesterday. 2 and 1/2 hours good. And I'm a believer now. I never thought I'd be here. And so we're starting from a different place than I anticipated, but uh I'd love to just, first of all, say thank you for that session yesterday, cuz it wasn't just astrology, it was like deep shamanic work and working with the elements, and uh it's really beautiful, really, you know, life-changing in many ways. So, first of all, thank you, and uh excited to, you know, speak to those people that may be like me and be like, this is all a bunch of [ __ ] This is all the Barnum effect and people trying to apply things that are general to something specific enough, reading the person and and then also go like a little deeper into some of the specifics and things that we've experienced, and that's our itinerary for the It's so funny because of true double Pisces fashion, I'm writing a book that will be coming out in a year in 13 languages, and the name of the book is, I don't believe in astrology. So you just nailed it. So that is what I respond to is there's so many people, and I understand the skeptics. Cuz I was once a skeptic. Like, how could it possibly be true? And make it really specific for me, to your point, so I can feel it, not just hear words and jargon. Cuz so much of the new age has all these words, we go through these memes, and we scroll, and we listen to all the But when it touches your heart, and it's shamanic, and it enters the body, and there's a shift that takes place in a real concrete way, that's the difference between talking about astrology and embodying astrology. Mhm. Yeah, that's I think what it is, and that's my it's my way of knowing. Like, this is my epistemology. How do I know what I know? You know, how do I like, what's the process? For me, I have to feel it. Yes. Like it has to come inside my body, and I have to feel it. And that was the road that we crossed yesterday. And once I've crossed that road, there's no coming back. Like, after I felt God, it's not like, I don't know about God. I mean, I felt it this one time. I'm like, oh, no, I know. And then I'll feel it more times, and more times, of course, confirm it. But that's kind of the position that I'm in now. It's like, wow. And also, you know, there's interesting things that we explored, like me having no earth sign in my chart at all, and still exhibiting strong and manifesting a lot of earth qualities, right? And so I think that was one of the reasons that I was like, I don't know if I believe in this, because there's complexities about myself that only with like the master's touch, and I know you would, you know, any like any master, you'd be like, I'm just a student, and blah blah blah, we get it. But nonetheless, that master's eye was able to like bring me deeper into the chart to help me understand. So, the first book I wrote was called the missing element, and when you're missing an element, it doesn't mean you don't have it. It means that you already did in a past life, and this lifetime they said, enough with that. We gave you too much earth. Think of what you would have been like if they would have given you earth. So, some people, my best friend owns a lumber yard, she has no earth in her chart, but she works around wood all day. So, it doesn't mean when you're missing an element, you don't have it. It does mean it's a lesson. It's a teaching. You've either come in with an advanced version, or you're suffering and learning at the beginning level. So, it's always extreme, but in your case, your earth element, I mean, I was in awe. I was writing it down, writing all the things that you've accomplished. I was like, this guy has no earth because God said, don't give him any more. Just think of how worked out you would have been if you were really grounded guy. Yeah. It's true, isn't it? Yeah, that's a very interesting place to put. All right, so we have a couple things I want to talk about. One is, I want to go through the elements and give people who don't understand how the elements, you know, affect a person and what they really mean. I want to talk about that, and then I also want to take a step back because we just brought in this concept of reincarnation, and part of the purpose of this, which is the learning different lessons throughout this life. And so, first of all, just zoom out the furthest. Like, what is your thoughts and feelings about, and maybe known beliefs or just agnosis, about how our souls incarnate and what the purpose of this life is. that question. I knew, you know how when you do podcasts, people ask the same questions? I knew you weren't going to do that. You started with my favorite question. I think there's a design, said the astrologer. The astrology suggests as Einstein said, God's not playing with dice. It's not random. There's an event that occurs, there's a whole system around it, and the stars are directly related to the karma that you have been handed from past lives. I don't think there's a mystery anymore, that there's a continuum, that there's a spiral, that I mean, if we have to debate that, we're with the wrong audience. No, I mean, and and and it's been like really conclusively shown in the University of Virginia's work on reincarnation, people, thousands of people who remember details of past lives that would be impossible unless there was uh continuity of consciousness. easiest version is the Tibetans, because every time there's an incarnation of a Rinpoche, especially at the highest level, they tell their attendant where they're coming in their next life. And there's been films made and documents very clear that they know what their name will be, where they're going to be, and even the Dalai Lama Yeah. has incarnated 13 times and tells his attendant, next lifetime I'm coming I'll be raised in, name the city, tell me It's crazy. So, there's no mystery there, but the better question is, how does astrology dance Yes. with the karma of the last lifetime? So, all I can suggest, and I none of this is from concrete evidence, this is all my intuition, that there is a promise that gets made based on the chart, which I can look at yours and say, you promised this life you would do relationship. Mhm. That your area of expertise, Saturn's in Libra. So, I can look at one indicator on the chart to give me information about what was the agreement. And now, I can't tell you how to go backwards and tell you what you did in past lives, but I can tell you in this lifetime that was your promise. Yeah. That you would rewrite and update the notion of the of matriarchy, or what is that called? Marriage, in classical terms, that you were going to And I know this is a controversial topic we addressed, but that's part of your promise, and everyone has one. You can look at the chart and say, by looking at where Saturn is, what was the promise this person made. Now, that's very simple astrology, I just simplified it. Right. And I make astrology simple, cuz I'm answering the question you're asking. What are you doing here? Right. Why did you incarnate? What is the purpose of incarnation if not to evolve? Right. continually wake up inside the dream, and then play the role of the joy maker, of the lover, of the manifestor, of the artist, of the Like, you get to choose, but we can't remember. You know what's interesting is, so that was a big piece that came out was that, you know, one of my soul's promises was to re-understand and reimagine relationship. And, you know, really bring forth the future of what love and relationship Yeah. might look like, right? Like, and I've I've felt that, you know, and what's interesting is I had a transmission with a very powerful medicine woman who went into a full trance and like made me bow my head. She was in like full trance or in a medicine ceremony, and I bowed my head, and she like transmitted this journey of my soul's evolution. And what was very interesting is I saw all of these flashes of like lifetimes lived. And it was like, but it but it played out as almost like one story. And the story was is that I was a lover and a bard. And I was like a poet and a bard and a singer and a lover. then some bad people or bad dark forces of some sort came, and they killed my love and like burned my village, and then I became a warrior. And then I became a warrior, but I was so filled with vengeance and wrath that I kept killing and killing and killing until I became like a monster. Like that guy? Well, I mean, hopefully that guy was a noble noble samurai, but I don't know. I didn't I didn't see it. I didn't see inside that armor, but he has dragons and a heart on there somewhere. So That's true. So maybe he was maybe he was a good maybe he was one of the good ones, but the warrior. So definitely the warrior, but I extended beyond. It was like it wasn't just I got the revenge for the killer of my of my beloved. I kept chasing down and burning down all the villages of where he came. It was like that. Like I it went dark and then the the medicine woman just purged and started vomiting and I started getting nauseous like purging that and then I saw myself make the turn recognize like this is too far and then saw myself now in the reclamation of that lover, but from this post-tragic lens of having gone through the journey. And so now, you know, seeing that like it's like I still have a lot of that warrior in me. It's a part of my soul's path and but really it's about reclaiming the lover at a higher level. Wow, that makes so much sense in our conversation yesterday. Just the warrior stance to go for extremes and to fight without knowing that he's fighting for love. That's the confusion in a stress. That's Aries. You have a very strong first house, which is Aries and it's the warrior and he forgets why he's fighting. He gets so caught in the energy and the chi and we all know people like this. They've got a temper and they're show-offs and they're loud and they're big and then you have to say like who are you showing off for until they realize it's for their soul to be the example of the warrior, the protector, the provider. Yeah. It's a real reframe. So I see you doing that with the male energy is rewriting the lover Libra, opposite sign Aries, with the strength of your character. Yeah. That was a funny assignment you'd picked. Yeah. Well, and I think that the beauty of it is cuz I can speak to the warrior because I've had a I have enough of it in me where they can see like oh, you know, Todd see like I like I am that too, you know, like you and I like I see enough of myself and I can say and here's the path of the lover. Here's the path of like deepest deepest intimacy because reality is relationship, right? It's like this is Certainly isn't your chart. This is what this is what it is. You have definitely an indicator in your chart with Jupiter and Saturn. You had two planets standing next to each other in relationship. One is the life lesson we talked about Saturn, but right next to it the same degree is the planet that's a hundred times the size of Earth. It's Jupiter. It's giant with sitting on your life lesson going you're going to do this big. You're not going to And so publicly, I mean, you've had some real I can imagine even for me when we started I was like tell me about what you do in relationship and and as I heard your heart I was like okay, I'm learning from you. I'm adjusting what I thought was what I consider my norm and including yours and that is the nature of astrology. It's accepting other people's realities with curiosity. Like I don't know how to do what you do. I don't understand the nature of new relationship, but I'm curious and this is what decides if we're going to evolve this life. That's why this podcast is so popular. How much can we listen and learn and ask questions and scratch our head and do plant medicine and make us nuts so we can re-evaluate our old thought processes that are stale. Yeah. So you're really thank you and that's not an easy path. No, it's not an easy path. There's nothing about you that's easy. No, I didn't choose the easy way and I wouldn't I wouldn't have it that way. You know, I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't have it any other way. Like I I I know myself the best when I'm when I put myself up against up against an adversary or obstacle or challenge or Yes. something where I have to rise to the occasion. Yes. In the in the in the doldrums I can get lazy. I can I can get addicted to the easy way. I can start to lose my way and certainly, you know, some of that got highlighted as well. It's like I was like ah, you know, I'm not addicted to I don't have addictive personality because I can stop anything when I want, which I can, but I don't. And you had called me right the [ __ ] out on that and I was like oh, yeah, I guess just being able to doesn't mean that I don't have an addictive personality. Yeah. Right. I think there's a real challenge right now on the planet for the people that don't live like you live on the edge with intensity. They misinterpret what could be mundane or boring as unproductive or unsuccessful or they turn in on themselves. Like Aubrey Marcus does that. What about when the ego gets triggered? That side of the fence, the people that are just doing ordinary life and took the mundane and made it beautiful and are just having a regular job, do not underestimate the soul's evolution in the presence of simplicity. Yeah. On the other hand, there's characters like you and me who have reached a certain level of public acclaim that are out there looking like and we are taking a hardball. Like we're playing right in the front edge. We've got the lights on us. Check this out. Yeah. And neither one is better or worse, but the confusion is our society values the ego with so much attention and so it should. It certainly pays and it makes us interested and we watch movies, we watch football players and we're like look at that. And then back at the ranch they're sitting in the audience going what about me? There's no difference. The soul's evolving on its path based on the chart and yours is big. You That's Jupiter on your Jupiter your Saturn. Your life lesson so giant you did it for all of us. So thank you for being willing to be seen, taking on the storyline, opening up our minds, talking about when I grew up cuz I'm older than I look, plant medicine was First of all, there was no such thing as play it was called drugs then in the good old days and we were all secret --- d I was like, "What the" remember? Yeah, 67, right? I'm almost 70. Yeah. Good memory. See, Mercury in Aquarius. So, yes, in your chart, you have no earth but there is an indicator that the medicine speaks to you at a practical level because of the purpose. Right. Like your service to us has been echoed through your ability to hear, manifest and then there's consequences. People all think you're a little crazy and you've gone off the path and but it doesn't seem to bug you. No. No and I cuz I really trust I really trust myself and I trust the and I and I trust myself to to fall and get back up. I trust myself to go too far and go, "Whoops. Like explored that boundary. Now I know it's a boundary." But the part of my nature is I look at all the boundaries and I go, "Maybe." You know, like someone says something and I go, "Maybe." And then I test it and sometimes I'll cross the boundary and it'll be nothing but broken glass and like and I'll be like, "Oh, [ __ ] Like that was a good boundary." You know, hat tip to the people who made it. And other times I'll look at something and I'll be like, "This is an old and stale, you know, dogmatic rule that actually needs to be updated. This table needs to be flipped." It's so double Pisces. Your function this life is to stretch and go past the boundaries. But there And there's consequences. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. And in the meantime, you can't not not be you. This is where astrology comes in. Like if I said to you, "Stop that." You'd be like, "Well, how am I going to not be myself?" Right. And everyone listening to this has a personality type based on their chart that when given permission, like you're this way, they're so It's like a relief. Like someone just tell me it's okay that I'm all [ __ ] up. I was going to write my new title for my new book, "You're [ __ ] Up and I Still Like You." But they wouldn't let me use it. They wouldn't let me use it. But it's just that that every chart says there's quirky quirks. There's parts of your character that are really boundaries are an issue for double Pisces. And knowing that, naming it without judgment, like letting that be that's your truth, what a relief in saying, "Yeah, I have no boundaries. What a loser. I can't believe I I've made so many mistakes." Like you're supposed to You are supposed to make mistakes. Yeah. And I certainly have and and I'm sure I continued continually will. One of the things is we went through all of the different elements. I want you to talk about the elements but there was functions of the certain elements that actually needed to be brought into the forefront to help me, you know, with certain levels of discernment. In certain areas of discernment I'm very sharp and certain I'm very loose and flexible because of my lack of boundary kind of nature and there was certain parts that I've also become aware that like, "Oh, [ __ ] Like I need to I need to get some things together and and really discern and really create the the right next, you know, the next steps." And pacing Yeah. big topic. For sure. So, go through the elements and you know, we can talk about my story or talk about it generally. So, in that book, The Missing Element, there's no astrology in it at all. I didn't bring it to you. But in that book, you figure out what your missing element is and then you read about that and you cultivate it. So, let me go through the four of them. Yeah. So, the first one which you were so good at, immediately you moved right into it was water. Mhm. And water is the element that can sit silently, feel their feelings. I mean, you had tears within minutes. Not everyone can do that. Yeah. So, that's the Pisces. Water is the element in all can't stop it. You know, my my cry my cry percentage on podcasts is is embarrassingly high. Yeah. It doesn't Yeah. surprise me. It's your function. It's your soul. The rising sign is your soul. So, your not only ego is Pisces, the sun sign is the ego, but the rising sign or the ascendant is also Pisces. So, your ego and your soul are the same. It's very unusual cuz you're double Pisces. So, therefore your emotional receptivity It's a soulful urge. You can't resist it. Yeah. So, water is the first element. All the people out there who are sensitive and mushy and they want to stay home and they cuddle and they don't want to come out of the house and they just love being with their favorite people only and they love to get high and they love to be altered and they want to drink and any way to alter this reality to to take off the assault cuz they're so sensitive Mhm. and they care so much that they tend to either cry a lot or they go into ice and they can't feel anymore and they get numb. Same goes to a lot of men with water. So, it creates kind of protective mechanism to the sensitivity. You're so good at it. Most people don't like to cry in For the first time I met you, we were with Aaron Rodgers at that big event in um Denver, that big drug event. What's it called? MAPS the MAPS conference. bad. I should have just said that. The big MAPS conference that I couldn't believe I was at. Um and you were sitting in the front and you cried I saw I thought, "This man's amazing." You cried. Yeah, in front of a big audience. Yeah. That's when I knew. So, that is an unusual response for a male or anyone to feel comfortable. Some people block it and it freezes and it becomes like a stilted, uncomfortable, I don't want to be around people. I'm embarrassed. Mhm. You You stepped over your embarrassment. And the high road of water is psychic. It's intuitive. It's mediumship. It's going between the worlds. It's being able to feel things without knowing how you know. It's hearing voices. It's having dreams. It's a lot of what Pisces is all about, the mystical, magical realm that is not measured by the hard stuff. So, at the low level, they're self-conscious, embarrassed and they don't tell anyone. They can't figure out what their dreams mean. they just want to get high and get out of here. Mhm. Help. Mhm. And at the high level, they're artists, they're painters, they're musicians. They hear the tune because they can hear the celestial tunes. They can write, they can inspire, they write poetry. Their gift is so magical and they're lovers. It is the lover, it's the part of us that wants to get out of the physical world into the magical without all the words. Right. Like shut up already. Right. Right. Yeah, I mean that was a big that was also, you know, something that I've known as well, but like lovemaking for me is one of the greatest escapes, you know, obviously the medicine path and it's not just escape. There's so much information, so much download, but like for me like everything falls away when I make love. Ego's gone. Everything is full merger, it's union, you know, it's union with the divine. death in French. The end of the ego, the release of the stupid ego trying to control. mort. Exactly. So, that's the water, isn't this great? We're talking about sex and drugs. This is water. Water is the yum yum factor. It's the ability to be in the body and feel both pain or pleasure without resistance. Now, that's a high road. Yeah. To be able to let That's why in ayahuasca there's so many tears and people are throwing up. That's water. It's like purging. Get this stuff out of you and stop being so full of [ __ ] And ayahuasca goes, "Okay, we're done." Yeah. And if you can't if you can't if you block yourself from feeling the pain, you block yourself from feeling the pleasure. Yes. You become numb and I've recognized that like numbness is the enemy. You know, I've I've known that for a long time for me because I felt that well, I could just get numb, but then I can't actually feel the beauty of this life, which is like really what I live for is the beauty of everything. And the low-level water is addiction cuz we so want to get away, we so want to escape, we so want to go home to the oneness as you called it the union that we diminish our relationship with earth, which we'll get to in a minute. So important to balance all four of them. There's four wheels in a car, there's four elements. One element goes down and the whole system goes off. So, you want to have water, but not at the expense of any of the other and we'll keep going. Yeah. All right, let's keep going. 9 months in a womb. It's always the beginning of every cycle. You wake up in the morning, you brush your teeth, you take a shower. Water's always first thing at a party, would you like something to drink? First thing people say, water always starts everything. Then we go to air. The baby has the first breath and this is where communication came in. And this is in our process we actually went to earth, but I'm going to talk about air. Hold on, let's do this right. Cuz we went through 40 yesterday and we went to earth next, but I'm going to take you to The natural rhythm is first comes water Yeah. 9 months in, then comes the breath and this is consciousness. So, now we're talking and we're thinking and we're doing podcasts and we're communicating in relationships and people and so interesting and who are we in love with and who aren't we in decisions and I'm so confused and I want to write it down. I'm going to call my friend. I changed my mind. I should call my friend. No, I can't remember what I said. I need therapy. I'm so confused. Did I write it down? Did I leave my keys somewhere? I can't remember. It's the unbelievable airheads in the world at their worst who spin around and they're so interesting and I'm not going to say your wife has a lot of this and they talk a lot and they use their hands and they have creative ideas and they've got many, many options and they change their mind, they have a new idea and they want to hear your opinion. Yeah. So, they put the podcast on and then another podcast and by the time they're done, they can't remember what they said. So, at their worst, they have too much intellectual appetite, which makes the mind spinny and they can get very confused and they say yes to everyone to be nice. Mhm. So, they become the nice man and they become the one that's so socially graceful and so generous and so kind cuz they're seeking approval. That's the level where the psychology at the truth of air is very decisive, has a relationship to their emotional body water, so they know what their intuition said and that's where their decisions are coming from. Right. But if the water and the air aren't connected cuz the secretly water was hidden behind and now air's all dingy, the wisdom is no, no, I'm listening to my message, I'm paying attention to whatever I got my message from my meditation and now I'm going to speak to you from truth. I'm going to use my words to be honest. That was a big thing that kind of came through in the session was I left that and I was like the purity of Aubryness. Like the purity and the purity is truth. It's just straight It's just the straight truth and I've always sought to be there, but I can also I can also, you know, sometimes hold back a little bit of the truth. I don't I'm not dishonest and I've never been a liar, but, you know, I'll be selective and strategic, but there's a pure Aubry that isn't any of that. That's just like this is exactly it and full love, you know, you don't have to be mean with the truth. Full love, but full truth and like that's the full pure Aubry. That's That's the the air king. That's right. The air king needed needed to actually sit in rather than the air courtesan who is just trying to please and trying to Exactly. manage and and all of these other indecisive and saying yes to what too many times. Exactly. So, the right use of air is the choice factor from a mind who is honest to your point that speaks truth and that has the ability to be authentic. So, they're speaking right out of their gut and out of their truth and then those people, we love to hear their stories and we love to hear their poems and we love to hear their words cuz they're just like soothing balm. When words is our poetry and we're kind to each other and we really use the air relationship to be the the doorway to actually get closer and to bump and then get closer, that's the high road of air. The low road is I don't want to do relationship. I'm sick of dating. People are so stupid. All those low-level air people that they just get really dippy and they're superficial and they're not real and you feel like they're faking it and they're all dressed up and they look so cute, but they're not real. That's the discrepancy is who's got their words of truth that are speaking from a deep place of knowing as compared to that whole social media with the air and the water. Just making sure that that deep intuition, the soul's knowing is matching the words. And that's why people meditate and that's why they do medicine to keep in touch with the water. When you get direction from the highest realm, then the mind can make decisions, but you have to know how to listen. And you have to follow instructions, you know, and for the most part, I have and then sometimes sometimes I haven't and we talked about that as well. Like I got a clear instruction to take 40 days and just be out on the land and and purification of Aubry and I've just been like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Certainly, I will certainly get to that at some point later." And it's I've pushed it off for years, years and now it's like Hello. And that was one of That's why the session yesterday was life-changing. It was like, "Okay, there's no more There's no more putting this off." And that's what happens with clean air, which is my gift this lifetime as a a therapist. I have a master's in clinical psychology. So, I learned how to work with the psyche of somebody by using words to free them. So, if I ask the right questions and we engage at a really authentic level, you're going to speak to yourself. I was telling you what I designed that process for E4 was so people would tell themselves the truth so I didn't have to. Mhm. And that's good healthy air. Typically air people are like talking, talking, they have so many ideas and they change their mind, they're so confused. When someone speaks with clarity cuz they know their truth, it's It's like what blue is like. It's so hard to not listen and the words get strung together and you're like, "What she say?" Like it's a tickling of the brain that comes from the deepest, highest place, not the ego doing the typical all the memes, all the social media, all the Instagrams, all that stuff is air. And you can't remember it until it becomes your words. Right. And that's what I really want to acknowledge. Your gift is your Mercury in Aquarius is a rebel. You can't follow and you keep sharing with us your process. Mhm. Mercury in Aquarius, your air is not a follower. And by the way, you can't get air to stay still anyway. It sneaks out of everywhere. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And yours is rebellious, but until you become obedient, I love what you said when you're hearing a message and you didn't listen and then I had to tickle that out of you and then you were like telling yourself, "What are you doing?" Yeah totally. just like that. Yeah. It's clean air. Yeah, it's like it's purifying that that distortion that can get in the way cuz when you have a high faculty and competency in the air, it's also it's a double-edged sword because you can justify anything and you can actually explain anything to anybody except for your truest, highest self. And you know, we'll get to that in the fire. You really called forward my highest self to to actually burn away and purify every other thought that wasn't there and Boy, did you show up. Yeah. As I expected. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. And and really because I'm not afraid of the truth and I'm not afraid of being wrong and I'm not attached to being everyone could use fresh air like that and say out loud, "I don't want I'm okay with being wrong and I want to tell the truth and I'm not scared." If people could use the air to say to their partners, "I feel like we're really not connect" Like just tell the truth. "I feel like we're really not connecting. I feel like I really want to be honest with you. I feel like I'm not being myself." If people could use that language in really raw terms, we'd all be so vulnerable and honest. Yeah. I have a It's interesting with the Fit for Service community, you know, I'm leading a a class called Romantically Fit and the assignment for the class is a process that I've used with my par --- ame at a very high level. Yeah. And that's And that's so with that blessing, I've always felt this immense responsibility. And this responsibility is also one of the challenge the blessings and the challenges, right? Because I can feel so like I feel so blessed, like so impossibly blessed and so impossibly grateful for the life I've been given. But then I say, "Okay, in order to pay that back, I got to give everything." Yeah, I know. I got to give everything and and give everything even at the cost of the cost of my own health and heart and well-being. And And that's, you know, that's a challenge. And that's where that that, you know, putting on the melchut, the kingship of of the air, the decision maker to say, "No, you got to follow your own advice. You got to become fit for service. You can't just be all service. You got to nurture yourself." You were listening. Yeah, for sure. yes. So that's the air. And then back to the Earth. And then let's finish. That was such an interesting conversation. That was really what you just spoke to is how do we let ourselves stay true to ourselves and how do we call ourselves out when we know there's something incongruent. Mhm. That's a big one for a modern day civilization. How do I stay honest? That's all air. How do I And I use therapists and best friends in my relationship to say, "Tell me when I'm full of [ __ ] cuz I can't tell." Mhm. And that keeps me honest. That's what a good That's what happened yesterday. Like, "Uh-uh-uh." Okay, so that brings us to fire. Fire. Fire is the element where we get super blunt and we say [ __ ] and we're honest and we hit a drum. In your case, we were using a rattle. And we call in our our ancestors and our council. And this shamanic It's very much medicine. Fire's when we're like, "Okay, I need help." This is blunt and honest and honestly, I'm not able to tell the truth for some reason or I feel blocked. Fire just wakes everybody up and gets everything going. Ding ding ding. Music, loud, getting drunk, being blunt, being funny, um showing off, getting on stage, singing, being able to grab the mic. That's fire. It's the courage to stand up, stand out, and be uninhibited. Which you and I both have a lot of. Um Um And then the low side of that is they're obnoxious. Their ego gets carried away. They're super loud. They need all the attention. They're not easy to get like close to cuz they're arrogant and they stand apart and you feel like they're you're not comfortable being with them cuz they're better than. That's the low level of fire arrogance and bit of like I'm the best cuz they are. Mhm. And then the high level is they're spiritually shamanic. So they're doing all that remembering that it's not them that's doing it. Right. When a high level being who's really visible and has gotten all kinds of acknowledgement can take off that mask of whatever the role is, whoever we are. I'm an astrologer, this little Jewish girl from Detroit turns into an astrologer, gets famous, so they say. And meanwhile underneath my fire and being totally honest is I don't know how that happened and it makes me laugh. It's kind of fun. I mean somehow by me being authentic and being energetic and being blunt and taking risks and going to graduate school and saying to them, I want to study psychology and astrology. They were like, what did you just say? Those two words didn't go together in the '80s Right. when I was in graduate school, but I was fiery enough to go, oh yes, they do. And watch this. And then I study you'll love this. Chronic mental patients chart. I went to the hospitals in LA with chronic mental patients and I did all their charts to see was there correlation to mental illness and there was. Wow, what did you find? Uranus. The planet that I I'm not even going to go there cuz it's there's too many people I can make reference to, but it's the people that can't follow at all. I'm not going to mention Aaron Rodgers and they can't fit in. They can't do a normal path. They can't not say the thing. They can't spill the beans. Right. Uranian. They're individualistic. They're advanced. They're ahead of us, but they're strange. So that was part of what I saw with mental illness back in the olden days. Uh-huh. And that's so Uranus is also Neptune, No, they're it has a No, they're cousins. They live next door. Okay. these outer planets. You have a strong Neptune, which is the other worlds and going between the worlds. So you Uranus, what's the other name for Uranus? Uranus There's there's These are the outer planets. There's no other name. There's Oh, wow. Neptune, Uranus and Pluto. Starts with Jupiter Starts with Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus and Pluto. You think I would know this by now. So no, they're independent flavors. They're they're independent archetypes. And the Uranian archetype is very fiery by nature. It's loud and it's found, get ready, during the French Revolution when they were changing all the rules of the government. Uranus is a personality type who says, I am not going to do what's done before. Now you have shades of this, but not like Aaron. Is it Mhm. You have a very strong Neptune, which is one of the places you and he connect. Neptune is the planet that goes between the worlds. Uh-huh. That has the gift of channeling. That knows how to be the poet. That can bring in higher frequencies. So there's different place And the last one is Pluto. I'm just going to give you an astrology class. Mhm. Pluto is the furthest planet out. We cannot see it. It is was demoted by a group of astronomers that got together, a hundred of them, in a room and decided they were going to demote Pluto. Why? This is about 20 years ago. They didn't because Pluto rules the underbelly, the unconscious. It was found in 1930. to keep it in the shadow. They wanted to keep it in the shadow and cut it off. When Hitler and Freud and Einstein were all working with this invisible energy. We had no name for at the time. Named the unconscious or nuclear energy, but it's Plutonian energy. So those are the out I don't know how we got to this. Those are the three outer planets that great influence on our planet and each person. Like I'm strongly Sounds so funny. I'm strongly Uranian. I don't follow. Mhm. I couldn't be a therapist and I couldn't be an astrologer. I have never associated to one astrology group or one psychology group. Mhm. Cuz my Uranus is so strong that I was like, I'm not going to fit in. When I start telling them what I'm doing, I'm not doing proper astrology cuz I brought psychology to it. And I'm not doing proper you know, psychology cuz I have so much astrology in it. So I got left out, which was just fine with me. Yeah. And that's the personality type that's fiery. Mhm. That's bold. That stands apart and you have this as well where if you don't like it, it's okay. And that can come off as arrogant and too self-confident. And the secret of fire people is they're insecure cuz they're like, I'm going to get in trouble soon. I just know it. Mhm. They wait to get in trouble. Someone's going to scream at me and get mad. That's the low level. And when the wisdom of the fire gets cultivated, which is what you're growing, they're blunt and they're honest. So when we sat together and you said, oh no, I don't have a problem. I went, excuse me? Mhm. That was fire. Mhm. Like Aubrey and you went, oh thanks. Yeah, maybe there is something about overusing something and not having the choice factor. Right. But who could say that to Aubrey Marcus? A fiery, well-trained astrologer because I've gotten to the point where I'm almost 70. So now I'm just free with my fire. Yeah, and it's such a it's such a gift, too. It makes it so fun. And you know, it's it's frustrating. One of the things that's I think probably the most frustrating for me is because of maybe in myself, if I get called out and it's true, I'm like I'm bound by this field of value to be like, oh, I don't know. I'm going to admit it. And I'm not going to double down and I double down on my own justification even though I could. That's healthy fire. You know, even though I could, I'm not going to. And so when I can when I have somebody who can do that, it's just such a blessing. When I can when someone can Call you out. call me out or change my opinion radically. You know, right? Like I have a strong belief in something. Like you don't believe in astrology and now you do? Exactly. Exactly. I'm like And and I've been public about my I know. my skepticism about astrology and I can be like, oh yeah, I was wrong. Great. You know. story. And I think that's the you know, it's something we don't see modeled in our leadership enough either. You know, I mean You're so right. politicians are always just doubling down on their position and never never taking responsibility because people try to freeze you in your in your wrongness and then say, you're wrong and so you'll never be right. Well, we're all going to be wrong. It's about how can you acknowledge when you're wrong and then adapt to that. There's so little example in our eldership of how to use fire. How to get angry. How to be direct. How to say, I'm sorry. How to say, I was wrong. Like to be able to start using those skills in a heightened way is the job of everyone listening to this. We are preparing for another generation, the children that you guys are bringing in cuz I'm old er. The next generation behind us, they're waiting and looking at their parents going, are you guys going to get this right? Cuz so far, we're not doing great. Right. Based on the collective. That's not to say that the medicine people are taking and the ability to alter the point of view of how do you tell the truth and say, yeah, you're right. I'm wrong and I'm sorry and I need your help and please help me. Those are things that fire people can't In old stories, couldn't say. So there's not a lot of examples. But one of my promises this lifetime was I want to get fire right. I had My father was a great teacher. My mother had a terrible temper. She would throw things. And so it get really loud. You can imagine. And then he would just walk up to her and say, I'm going for a walk. I'll be right back. And he'd leave the house. And then she would calm down and I thought, well, that's the wisest response when there's a fight, when the war is about to occur, drop your arms. Back it up. Take a breath. But that takes a lot of courage or wisdom Yeah. how to activate your fire to calm down when someone's right in your face. Yeah, absolutely. He'd say, why is there going to be two of us in this house looking like you? That's It's a great teacher. great story. And what about the element ether? Do you deal with this at all? Does this come in and is this like the fifth element? So in my book that's coming out in April 2025, the last chapter is called the 13th sign, which I know you asked about. There is a 13th sign that was found, but that's not the one I'm talking about. Ether is the worlds between the worlds. Ether is when time You're so good at this with your Venus at 0°. I told you about this yesterday. You have a access point of genius in the name of love, Venus, in Pisces, the highest love, Christ love, in the house of Pisces. Like You are really here this lifetime embodying a very refined, higher level of love. That's your 0°. That's so funny. I just went off on that. Mhm. Um The do the question thing I had a brain fart. 13th sign. No wonder I did. Of course I did. Because the 13th sign is when you step out of time. Right. That was so fun. I did it lifetime. It's when time stands still. The 13th sign is what I call the observer. This is all my work. This is what the session was yesterday. Come up and out with me. Look back over it, Aubrey. See his different characters and then check in with him. Who does he want to listen to? Like there's freedom that happens once the observer's on. So the ether, the 13th sign is where you stop. You take a breath. And you ask yourself, like how awake am I right now? Where am I? Mhm. How is this going? How is this podcast? When when you stop time and you let yourself become aware of the 13th sign or the ether or the 0° where you're standing out, that's where awareness is really excited. Oh good, someone's home. Yeah. Now we have a breath. This is, you know, the Greek words for like chronological time is chronos and then the stepping outside of time is called kairos. And kairos is another form of time. It's timelessness. It's the timeless time. It's the time in the other dimensions that are not bound by is ain soph. Yes. It's the before time exists. Where there's another zone. And some for some reason I, like you, have a fascination with the other worlds. And I remember and it's funny to say this cuz I'm trying so hard to ground, but I have this fond memory of the place we go when we're in that calm place standing still in the ain soph before the form in that open space. And it's not easy to get to. And that's why drugs are so popular. Mhm. They're like, take me home. Remind me about that place. But how do you do that while you're on Earth in the middle of doing the dishes with the microphone, with the kid, with the phone, with the How do you stay in that present state? That's the practice of what the real truth of the 13th sign is. Can I return to that place? Can I go to the ether? Can I stop in the middle of making love when the energy's building? This is tantra. Mhm. But there's so few people that can stay awake at especially in the moment of death. This is when the most My dear friend right now is leaving the world. It's genius man I've known for so many years. He's written and he's read all there is about near death experiences. The guy's a a complete genius. You would think on his way out he would calmly walk out, but no. He's in complete and total resistance. Shocking. Because when the human emotional body gets triggered and his daughters are in the room and he doesn't want to leave. Yeah. Instead of walking gracefully into the Ein Sof, into the 13th sign, into the he's in pure resistance. And that is the dilemma of the human condition right now. We're all and we're in a transition. You know this. All the people in your circle I've met today are all leaders in their own way of not following. You draw them. Yeah. You just they follow you around cuz they're like comfortable. Now they're weird and it feels normal. Right. Yeah, I mean so much of there's so many wisdom traditions you say that one of the goals of our life is to practice how to die. You know, so that we can make that transition, you know, with full with full awareness. Yeah. awake. Stay awake. And that's the danger of drugs and that's the danger of indulgence and that's the danger of too much money. It's the danger of falling asleep because you're so comfortable and you're having so much fun you can't wait to make love. When you can stay still and be in the presence of this place raw without being filtered and it's really a minimalism practice. I think less is more. If people knew how to use the medicine and use the altered states and use the ability to dream off and go on social media in moderation. That's what we looked at yesterday. Pacing. Mhm. And that's why I'm not aging normally because I've been pacing the whole time. Like slow down. I don't know why everyone's in a rush. It's confusing to me. Everybody's in a rush. If you watch how we go through our day and we're looking at our watch and we got the time thing. We feel like I'm on my way to the airport and I'm getting all like calm down, Deborah, I say to myself. Yeah. Take a breath. Yeah, that's a hard one for me. That's a that's a really hard one for me. It always feels like everything is so urgent and needs to be done immediately. And to know that time goes on forever in every direction. That's the truth. Yeah. And that once your awareness is on and you're honoring the 13th sign, which is where we stand off the screen, out of the character for a minute, take a breath. Everything slows down, but it's really fun when you're snuggled up with your dog or your baby or your best friend or your lover. It's a lot easier to snuggle up and relax than when you're by yourself. And that's one of the windows in this planet that's really suffering is loneliness and being alone here in the middle of a room, at a coffee shop, in the middle of an airport. That's the weirdest part. Who like that's what happened yesterday. We really bonded. We had a intimate exchange and that's what we're all longing for. Yeah. Who --- who your people are. We don't know that cuz you're so community-bound as I am, but there's a lot of people listening to this who spend way too much time alone. Right. And they don't feel connected, mostly to themselves and their own chart. Right. Yeah, I mean, when when that moment like so much wisdom is about bringing death close, you know, memento mori, probably arguably the most famous stoic saying. You know, remember your death. Like like remember your death. Like remember remember that you're going to die. And the Bushido, you have you have a samurai over your right shoulder right there. And the Bushido code, like the first lesson is the same thing. It's like remember you're going to die. And when you bring and Carlos Castaneda, the you know, from Don Juan, the Toltec lineage is My favorite. death is the wisest advisor that a warrior has. Yes. When you think that all is lost, you ask your death. And your death will say, "No, I have not touched you yet. You're still alive." And you know, so like bringing death close actually is the liberation to allow you to feel safe in any in any circumstance. It's easy for you to say because you're an old soul who's made the transition. There's a lot of people in just the smallest ways letting go, feeling safe, being able to not be in a relationship that doesn't work cuz they're scared of death of the relationship. There You can't imagine how prevalent Yeah, the clinging This is a symbol of your evolution and which is why we're sitting here cuz you've done death. You're friends with it. Mhm. I am the same, but I did a research project. I study with two rabbis about death and dying. And I sat in the room and I said to everyone, we were studying for years together and I said, "Raise your hand if you're afraid of your death." And half the room raised their hand tentatively. And then I said, "Raise your hand if you can't wait." And the other half raised their hand and I said, "This is what life is like. Half the people can't stand the thought of their death, my neighbor. And the other half are secretly trying to figure out how to get out of here Right. and do it with a clean slate so that you finish here with everything checked up before you go. Right. That's a very interesting conversation. Yeah, and and a part of really Scorpio. A part of part Yeah, I want to hear more about that. A part of it is actually living so fully that when you cross the threshold, you can look back and say, "Oh, yeah, I really lived." You know, like I tasted the food, I kissed the lover, I stood for what I believed in, I laughed, I danced, I I poured water, I saw the stars at night, I drank the salt water, I drank the wine, I Like a like a real Sufi. Mhm. This place makes me so excited. Tell me about Scorpios. So Scorpios, everybody sees Scorpio and they're like, "Ooh, you like to fuck." And that's so unfair. I mean, that makes me so mad. That's what my books I wanted to back like just distill and then dismiss all of this. It's not fair. Scorpio's everything you just said. The short version is it's the highest sign to get us out of the liberation to get us into liberation of the ego. So Scorpio, while it's considered sex is a cheap way of putting it, sex is a small death, orgasm is the release of the ego. Scorpio has a huge appetite to figure out how to get out of here. They're really desperate. If they have a relationship with very much being present, everything you said. They eat this life alive and they're not afraid of their death at the highest. At the lowest level, they're very manipulative and they're scaredy-cats and they sting. And it's a longer conversation. I have a short video. You probably haven't seen them yet on YouTube. I have. Milana showed me. They're hilarious. out the Scorpio part and I have 8 million views. It's embarrassing. I was 12 people within 5 minutes each and everyone got to see me act like a Yeah. It's frantic. Yeah. Um but it worked. Yeah. I didn't really know it was going to get so popular. But that you can watch all of them. And so they short answer is that's one flavor of the 12 that deals with not just sex, but the deep desire to face death and be real and be honest and not be wobbly. Like they they're very steady at their high level. At their low level, they're mean Mhm. cuz they're so pissed off at this place. And they are not uninhibited to let you know that what you did pissed them off. You know, they have that quality. So you know, when people have sex, did it feel good? Did it hurt? I don't know. The sounds are always so revealing. Like are they liking that thing or does it hurt? That's what Scorpio's like. Right, right. they're making those sounds? That's very Scorpio. I can't determine whether this feels good or this hurts. But if the kids were listening, they'd be going, "Mom, are you okay?" Yeah. That's funny. That is funny. So how much, you know, it seems like a lot of a lot of this is about my, you know, sun sign and then but there's so much more complexity in the sign. So like if you're just starting out, like we all know we all know our our sun sign, right? Like everybody knows that. It's part of a normal conversation. You can't get her anywhere around there without actually sharing that part. around for 4,000 years. been around a long time. Where do you Where do you like to go next? So like for like a moon. To the moon? Okay. and the moon are best friends. The moon's your inner world. Yours is in Sag. You're It's humor. It's philosopher. It's a seeker. It's the athlete. It's the one that gets off on being full of chi. The moon tells us your emotional nature. It's up at night. So the sun is your ego up during the day. Then the moon takes you in. And then the third category, which is the most important, is your time of birth and that describes your rising sign. And yours is Pisces. So you're The rising sign or the ascendant is what you're rising into. It's your higher self and it's based on the moment of your birth. So the fact that your rising and your sun are the same is why you're so Pisces. Right. You're a double Pisces. So those three influences, that's how everyone calls the three pillars. I get kind of pissed off, here we go, because astrology can be cheap. Like, "Oh, my sun, moon, and rising." You know nothing. I mean, you know enough to be dangerous. You're talking about it's not useless, Right. but actually learning the science and massaging it and getting to know it requires study. This is ancient science. Right, because so much is was revealed when you were talking about where my Mercury was and where my, you know, my Venus at the zero degree and there was so much that got really, really interesting and that's what got me on board ultimately was, "Yeah, there's some, you know, double pi There's some things about this that make sense." But then as we got deeper It was we got deeper, it was like, "Oh, this is getting juicier and more interesting and and more complex." So that requires study and we have a school and twice a year in September and January, your wife just did it. We have a level, 6 weeks, 10 people in a room and you study your chart. So I teach people in very simple English. This is what Aaron did. Aaron was a brilliant one of my best students I've ever had. Yeah. He learned it so quick. really He's really smart. as fast as I could talk and then he did a tattoo on his arm. It was cute. Um the point of the story is you have to study it and be careful who you study with and you will begin to collect information. There's lots of information, but the actual I call it applied astrology at our school to make it useful. Right. So you can go study it and there's no end in sight. I mean, I am such an astrology addict. I just have to admit that you want to ask me, "Are you addicted?" Yes. I'm addicted to it. I never get bored. Every time chart I see, I'm like, "Wow, that makes so much sense." And it never seems to not fascinate me. Yeah. One of the things One of the reasons why I particularly didn't believe in the rising sign of of your of the chart was because of my own story with my mom. So my mom was in labor for a ridiculous amount of time and she was in labor all the way through the night and pushing and pushing and pushing, but actually her the the bones were actually too narrow for me to cross. Right. So and the doctor was unavailable until the morning. He was sleeping. So they couldn't do anything about it. So I was actually like if if the doctor picked up the phone, I would have been born, you know, 8 hours earlier. But he didn't. But he didn't. And then so I was like, "Well, that's [ __ ] random." Like why does this But then I think of the synchronicities of the world and like and the mystery just saying, "Oh, no, no, not yet. It's not time for this soul." You know, like stay asleep, Dr. Whoever the [ __ ] you were, you know, and like pick up the phone now. And so then I start to think of like all of these crazy synchronicities that I've had in my own life and all of the ways that the mystery has and or what Matias calls the weaver has weaved things and then I then I now I look at it and go, "Oh, yeah, that was always supposed to be that way. It wasn't an accident that I was born when the doctor woke up and picked up his phone." Totally, totally. And it gets better. I didn't tell you this. Sun in Pisces, moon in Sag was the same chart that Einstein had. No pressure. time and he studied time his whole life. And he studied synchronicity and he took science. Look what he did. He pioneered our notion of science and relativity and time by his Sag his score his Pisces his Pisces would hold two marbles in his hand and right before he fell asleep and dropped the marbles, he'd start to work. He would go into that Pisces dream state. Didn't need medicine. But he And then his moon in Sag was such a philosopher that he was quoted to say, "In my distaste for authority, God made me one." That's so funny. He was such a rebellious guy. He's like, "Don't do that to me. I don't want to be authority." And then he became one, similar to you. Right. Right. Right. That makes sense. So interesting that you're both sun in Pisces, moon in Sag. Yeah. And that you both have this pioneering nature to go into a philosophical angle and then bring it back down. That's what he did, too. What is What do you find? Do you feel like there's a, you know, a like an active resistance from this materialist, reductionist empiricist rationalist world that just really doesn't want to believe in this because it forces them to believe in a higher power that they don't want to believe in. Is that That's exactly right. That's why medicine is so important. The whole zeitgeist is opening up to realizing why would we keep ourselves addicted to a limited mind that sees in such small quarters and cannot open up the expanse to understanding the magic realm. Why would we do that? It's so boring. So now our society has been shmoo. And astrology has gotten so popular. Mhm. I mean it's coming out now. And part of that is your work. Part of it is opening up people and saying just consider what you can't let your mind understand. What does medicine do? It shuts off your left brain. That's it. We're going to talk to your right brain. We're going to give you directions and hope you'll listen. Yeah. There are Are there other like competing schools of astrology from different other sides that that are like arguing with each other and trying to establish themselves as the dominant Vedic astrology. In Vedic astrology, you would be a Aquarius. So there's a whole other system and it's ancient. It's It's from the eastern world, from India, and it's got great value for prediction, but it's completely different and yes, they argue. Welcome to planet Earth. Everyone seems to have a fight about something. And then there's systems I love all the stuff that's coming out with the human design and being able to understand the enneagram and being able to send numerology and then we have Richard who's doing the gene keys and Right. All of the stuff is our appetite our starving appetite. Do you see me? Do you like me? How am I different? And can you remind me why I signed up? So all of those are tools to help you remember what did I sign up for? And I just say study them all. But choose one and go deep. I'm that person. Mastery comes with repetition. And it takes many, many years. If I told you how long I've been doing this, it's crazy. And it came in a dream. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's such a valuable thing because often times we'll just learn a little bit. We'll be attracted to the little bit of superficial knowledge we can get, but the mastery goes deep. You know, Bruce Lee's quote, I fear not the man who knows a thousand kicks. I fear the man who's practiced one kick 10,000 times. Bingo. You know, like it's like that's where mastery is. It's like the depth The depth is actually and it's routine and it's Earth people and not everyone has the gift and they're not all supposed to in this life, but it seems obvious that I had to do astrology from the very beginning and I don't know. I think they put a drug in my head that said you will love this till the end cuz it never gets boring. I'm like, is this going to wear off soon? Cuz I've never not been fascinated. It is a funny thing. I do wonder about that. Like do I have something in my blood that's different? Is Do you see people who decide that they just want to abs- they see this and then they like just say like I'm going to go [ __ ] totally different way. Is there like a rebel nature? Yeah, it's it seems like to see me if they're going to do that. They're usually people that aren't interested in astrology and they're resisting their character and they're putting a square hole in a round circle and it's uncomfortable. They're not coming for astrology. So it's if So it's almost like there's like a there's like a wind that's really kind of blowing you towards these different pathways and you can try and resist it, but it's just going to be headwind. The question you have to ask and you and I have this in spades is how much do you trust that you're here to serve God? If you know your purpose at the end is going to be in a room face to face with your team and they're going to say to you, uh-oh, we noticed what you were doing and by the way, try again. Mhm. Or if you finish this movie and they go, "Good job. I We really saw your effort and boy did it serve a lot of people. Come with us." That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. Oh, this has been my pleasure. I mean when I saw your chart at first I was like, I don't know. I don't really understand Pisces, but I've learned so much about Pisces from you. It's really I've learned so much in the last two days. Yeah, and I've learned so much about myself, too. You know, and I tried to I was trying to write a book called Master Your Mind and ultimately I got to 70,000 words three times and failed because I really realized that I couldn't actually disambiguate the mind from everything else that exists. So I basically was trying to write a book called Master the Universe. And uh That's so double Pisces. Too big, too big. Yeah, that I had to like scale it down. Scale it down. Scale it down. Get really practical and tactical and stuff. do with astrology. I make I scale it down, scale it down so it's super English and people can actually understand the elements to begin with and then start to ask themselves, what did I sign up for? What was I thinking when I took on this movie? Yeah. Well, thank you, Star Mom. It's been It's been such a gift and I look forward to keeping in touch with you and and letting you know how I'm doing on my assignment. promoting that I don't believe in astrology just turned into I do believe in astrology. Yeah, totally. Totally. And I, you know, and I encourage people, too. All the skeptics out there, like wait till you feel it yourself. Don't take my word for it. Just allow yourself to go deep. Find a you know, find a master and and like allow yourself to be open-minded enough to see and see what resonates. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. So much love to you. So much love. Yeah, and so much love to all of you. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. We love you. Goodbye. Thanks for tuning into this video. Make sure you hit subscribe. Follow me at Aubrey Marcus. Check out the Aubrey Marcus podcast available everywhere and leave a comment. 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