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Drunvalo Melchizedek on Extraterrestrials, Universal Evolution and the Pole Shift

By Drunvalo Melchizedek · Lilou Mace

39mTranscribedEsoteric, ConsciousnessIndexed November 2010
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Drunvalo Melchizedek talks with Lilou Mace about the extraterrestrial sources he says underlie the Mer-Ka-Ba and Flower of Life teachings, the Sirian and Pleiadian lineages he describes, and his interpretation of the geological pole-shift cycle. He frames human history as one chapter in a much longer universal evolution.

Transcript

Hello, Dr. Val. Hello Leelu. Hello. Good morning from Sedona with the red rocks and all this beautiful stuff here in Arizona. And you, I guess, are in Fr. France. Is that right? I am in France currently. Yes. So, thanks to technology, we can do this. I feel very blessed to have this conversation right now with you and share it with as many people on the web as possible. a lot of people looking up for those teaching that you are sharing you know with us. So really really thankful and I want to talk particularly this time about 2012 uh but historically you know the evolution of humanity would be important to your eyes to explain before we get into where we're at right now and what you're seeing actually and want to talk about plasma beings as well. So tell us about tell us about this evolution. Well, okay, if you go back to say 1890, somewhere around in there, uh we were riding around on horses, which is a beautiful thing to do. But the idea of the kind of technology and the kind of evolution that we they were about to go into, they had no idea uh the idea or the concept of going to the moon or sending spaceships to Mars and mapping the entire surface of Mars or to Venus and mapping the entire surface of Venus. Uh these kind of things, they weren't even science fiction. They didn't have that kind of understanding. And this was only a little over 100 years ago. And all of a sudden things begin to escalate and move very very quickly. Um if you go up into uh Tesla's work with the Monta experiment in uh 1941 and 42 uh there he was beginning to introduce technologies that the earth had never ever even considered before where what they were trying to do there was to get a a battleship to become invisible literally to make it fourthdimensional and they were using technology that was offplanet Tesla himself said they asked him where he got this and he said, "I'm getting this from from ETSs, people I'm talking to, these ETs that he was talking to were the ones that we were first introduced to. That was the grays, the little guys. They weren't very tall. They had the gray skin and these big black eyes." And uh and that was they were giving him technology uh to the government in return for us being uh nice to them. We had a whole different relationship with him when we first started. But as time went on, uh that changed. Uh then in 1945, we exploded an atomic bomb. That changed everything for us. That was technology, but it really changed our evolutionary patterns. What we did was illegal. It was against the law everywhere throughout the universe. You can you can work with uh uh fusion. You can bring atoms together. You can't break them apart. That's illegal. The reason is because everything is interconnected. And and and so if you do something on a small level, like an atomic level, it's going to affect something on a big level. And in this case, it was the Gray's home base. Uh they were out of Orion. Uh if you look into the middle middle star of the belt of Orion and go directly behind that to uh the Crab Nebula, an exploding nebula around that area is where the Grays came from. And we literally destroyed about a hundred of their planets. And so they were upset to say the least. And uh and they came here actually in in time travel. They went back they first arrived here in about 1910 trying to fix things and they were trying that's why they were helping us with these monta experiments but uh when the atomic bomb went off that triggered everybody in the universe I mean everyone basically the cosmic police came in and in 1946 in the summer of 1946 there were spaceships all over every single military base in Europe There might have been an exception, but not very many. And they just swarmed all everywhere. And then in June of 1947, they were all over every military base in the United States and in Japan. How do we know that? Uh I can prove that. Uh the the uh uh the head of the Blue Book Project, which was the United States Air Force project, was Captain Rubbert. They never talk about him. they really want to uh act like he never existed. But he was the director of the Bluebrook project from day one all the way to about four or five years into it. And prior to that, he was the head and the director of the project Grudge, which is an even more secret uh UFO uh investigative project. And when he got out, which I think was in 1951 or 52, and they relieved him of that, he wrote a book to thei to the United States people called a report on flying saucers. And he gave in detail everything that happened in his administration for five years. He listed names and and people and the generals and exactly the committees that met and everything. and and he was the one who said this that they all started out first all over Europe in 46 and then all over the United States and and can and Japan in 1947. And if anybody wants to see that book, by the way, the Air Force at that time, right when he got out, decided that this had to remain secret. And so when he published this book, uh they went out and they confiscated every copy of this book they could find. And interesting enough uh he died a year or so later. We don't know why, but he is no longer existing. And uh and when I found this book, I found one copy of it. Uh it was uh 50 Cents, a little book from back in the 1952. Uh we recopyrighted it and we reprinted it. And so I haven't sold this for a long time, but if anybody wants it, they can go on drumlo.net and I'll get them a copy of it and they can read it. It's amazing. There were 42,000 sightings in 1947 and they took 750 of those sightings that were so outrageous uh just to study carefully. Those were sightings where the UFO was directly over a military base with a uh one of our uh jets directly behind it and the pilot locked on to it with our with our uh uh radar directly seeing the two blimps going by. And in these cases, usually quite a few generals and and people on the ground watching them go by. And so it wasn't a matter of did this happen or did it not. They they had 750 cases. They knew for certain it happened. And he talks about these things. So So tell us why does it disturb so much the government? Well, they they realized by 1951 or two that uh this was a serious situation and uh and they also realized that they weren't as friendly as they thought they were and initially and and actually they were not friendly. They their intention was to eliminate at every last human being on Earth. and they weren't kidding around and they they began to know this and that's when they they pulled the shade down, made sure nobody knew what was going on and then they continued on trying to solve the problem. Uh this is why they went into Star Wars. It wasn't to go after uh incoming uh uh uh meteorites and things like this. It was so that we had a 360 degree angle where we could declare war on them if we had to. And they were scared for a long time and they had good reason to be scared. And uh uh that's over with now. That doesn't exist anymore. We've solved all of those problems. And the grazed aren't even on Earth anymore right now. They have left us here. Uh and and the situation with ETSs has changed dramatically over over the last few years. And and it is this new approach that is coming in is extremely positive. And uh we think that there's just the grays here and uh and perhaps the reptiles and a few other races that are working together. But because of what's going on here and because of our evolution, this is something I have to get into. What's going on in our evolution? There are so many people, this is going to be a hard hard one to even accept or even believe, but we know this. There are now over 250,000 different species of life forms from other places that are here on Earth in either a fourth dimensional or higher level. They're watching us carefully. And these people love us. They do not want to hurt us. They want to try to help us. And it's a whole different situation. But most of the world and even most UFO people don't understand what is going on right now. And later in this uh broadcast, I I'll get into one of these races that love us so much and really really do want to help us. And when you understand it, it's it makes you feel better. Makes you feel better about life. Uh definitely. How did it evolve the past decade or the past two decades? Well, this has been going on and on and uh eventually by the 1995 or so uh the grays had to leave. It's a long story why and what took place, but we forced them to leave. It was not military. It was a single female person and she defeated them. Uh it's amazing. And but these are stories that I can't get into now. It's just too complex and it would take us away from the the bigger picture. We call you know who it is. Uh we're not allowed. I can't say who that is. That person's life would not be safe. No, we can't do it. Uh it's an indigenous person uh a woman out of Peru. That's about all I can say right now. But um and so uh the the evolutionary aspect is is what is uh now uh bringing in the attention of of of life everywhere. We don't know how fast we are evolving. Something took place. uh you see uh all these rapid uh events of changes that were taking place in in our lives mixed in with all this technology. Uh there were there was something going on with a sun of all things. Uh the sun that was uh what only happens once in the life of a star only one time. All suns, all stars start out as hydrogen suns and and it takes a long time in this case about five billion years or a little more uh for us to uh build up enough helium to begin the next stage. What happens is the the light from the sun is caused by two hydrogen atoms coming together forming helium. And so everything that is evolved on earth up until this moment is evolved directly from this he this hydrogen light that is uh coming to the earth and you can speak with any scientist on earth and he'll tell you that all life that is here on earth came from the sun not from earth but from the sun from the light and the radiation that came from the sun. That is what is evolving us. Well, when the light changes, that's a big deal and it changes evolution forever. And we are now got to a place where the helium is built up so high inside of the sun that you're getting three helium atoms coming together forming carbon and a new kind of light is evolving onto Earth. Uh Bell Labs acknowledged this on August 7th, 1972 when the first helium blast came off of the sun. U they were amazed by this. They took the photograph of it and said that this was probably one of the greatest moments in the history of the earth. And we just kept right on going like nothing was happening. Uh and it uh right after that uh or right before that in the 60s the evol the the revolution that began to take place there on that was because the helium light was beginning to change then but it peaked on August 7th 1972 and will never be the same after that. Uh and so what it means is is that for some reason and we believe we know but that's another subject that would take about an hour to explain uh the uh uh our evolution has suddenly catapulted into a another level and it's something that the uh the rest of the universe has never ever seen before. Uh they can't even believe it. It's kind of like if there was a baby born and then suddenly the baby comes out a little baby, but then 15 minutes later it's an adult. This is just like how can this be? And and so the evolution speed that humanity is going through right now is it's mind-blowing to to everyone that's watching it. And we don't know because we're inside the box, not outside the box. And so we don't know uh that we're evolving so quickly and so fast, but we are. This is not normal. Uh this has never ever been seen before since the beginning of the creation of this universe. And so it has attracted this is why these 250,000 and maybe as many as 300,000 different cultures are here. They're not here because of the atomic bombs or anything the grays were involved in. They didn't care about that. They care about the evolution that we're going through. Because if we continue to move in evol in on an evolutionary path at the rate that we're moving, we are going to affect the evolution of the entire universe. And they know this. And so they know it's going to affect them. And that's why they are are so closely watching what's taking place with us. What are the different elements of that evolution? What are the different things that are evolving within us? Can you point at that? Well, it's beginning with technology. Uh techn technology, we think that we are the greatest thing that ever lived on the surface of the earth. And we point to our technology and our mental abilities that we say look look at us. Nobody's ever done this before. In fact, life forms have done this many times before on Earth. We just don't know it. But not in this way. And the uh this evolutionary uh uh uh change that's occurring is uh uh it it's beginning with evol it's beginning with technology that and they're feeding us this. We're we're literally being fed this technology to give us this. But what happens and they know this is that we're coming to this point very soon. And what the Mayans say happens in 2012 or actually could happen even today uh because it's it's this window around 2012. It's not the date December 21st 2012. It's from October 24th 2007 to approximately uh November December 2015. That's a window. And the events that the that the that the uh Mayans talk about could happen anytime in that window which means it could happen today. But uh uh let me see where was I? Well, we were looking at the different things uh one of them being the technology is one of the factors that really is helping us to evolve. But I was also wanting to hear from you what are the different things that are evolving within us like our DNA, our frequency, vibration, our capacities etc. Okay. Well, the technology aspect is a leadin. We think it's the end in itself that uh being able to do all kinds of amazing things with technology is the end of it. From a higher point of being, a higher being's point of view, uh it's kind of like the like a chicken and the cracking of the egg. Uh whenever technology appears on these levels, we know that that race is just about ready to evolve very fast. There a day will come any day now when we are going to realize that we don't need this technology anymore. We can do without anything without any electronics without anything just having a human body that we can do absolutely anything that technology has done now and we can do things that we can't even imagine at this point and we are going to do this. This is about what's this is what uh all of life is now just waiting for us to do and and we are just ready to step out of that into that level of existence. Uh the uh yes there are changes within our DNA. Uh some of these changes that are being presented by uh uh different teachers around the world I don't believe have any validity and some of them do. Um the idea that there is we're about to move from two strands in our DNA to 12 strands in our DNA first of all is not even physically possible. The DNA is based on the docahedron icosahedron relationship. And when you look at it it's a pentagon facing down, a pentagon facing up. And there are 10 possible channels, not 12. And there has never been one person on Earth where they've ever seen 12 channels move into yet. However, uh there have seen DNA changes in the codons and uh there are 64 codons in the DNA and we are running human beings are running on I think about 21 or 22 or something of them and suddenly uh coming from children. Uh they have found that there are six more uh codons that have that have been activated and these children are choosing two of those six. And so, uh, this is a this is a a big deal and we don't know what it means yet. NASA is is is covering this. They are exploring it in depth right now trying to understand what it means because these are the kids with the ADD and ADHD that are extremely rightrained uh that can't get through school. Uh, they they're not call indigo children or crystal children. Indigo kids. Uh yes, Crystal kids. These kids are uh geniuses on one level or two levels, but they have a very hard time getting through school. They either get A+++ or they get an F. They can't seem to get anything in the middle very easily. And uh and so science is now studying them trying to understand who this new people are. They have a not not only that, they have a new stomach and a new liver. And so uh uh obviously they have a new DNA physiologically also. We don't know what that is yet or at least it hasn't been reported that I'm aware of. But they do know they have this and uh and so but how about on us? How about with other type of people on this planet? Is everybody get also um changing and DNA are evolving regardless of their awakening or this is totally related to that? purely on a scientific level. We don't know that yet. Uh we can see that c people in certain areas are changing faster than people in other areas and are evolving faster than others. But uh uh scientifically uh this is a very rapid moving uh situation and uh there aren't a lot of researchers and most of those researchers that are doing this are from the government and they're not talking and so uh what is your what is your uh way of seeing it then? Well, uh, yes, we are evolving and I I my whole thing that for the last 47 years has been studying human consciousness. Uh, not from a a I did go through college and graduated and and studied physics and math and other things, but that isn't where I I'm coming from. I'm I'm studying the ancient masters all over the world, different forms of meditation. uh I've I've studied with over 70 72 uh different uh teachers each from everything you can imagine from Hindu and Tibetan to Sufi to Dallas to uh uh on and on and on and on and uh and really uh now that I've looked at most of them and that also includes many indigenous tribes around the world and how they perceive life uh we are changing dramatically. Uh uh uh in fact even having this subject that we're talking about right now say 10 years ago wouldn't be very likely that anybody would show up and listen. They're showing up and listening because things are going on inside of them where they're suddenly begin beginning beginning to realize that something is going on in them as well as around the world and they weren't aware of this before 20 years ago. No, no way. Not even possible. We are we are becoming a different human race. I just did a new video called uh the birth of a new humanity and uh that's uh it went out on YouTube and a lot of we can even sell it to you as a DVD if you want it. But uh that was an extraordinary uh um event that has taken place. It's LA it has 13,000 years of humanity working together to create a electromagnetic field above the earth so that that is geometrical in nature and surrounds the whole planet which NASA has totally mapped and so is Russia uh and uh which is necessary for us to move from normal human consciousness to a brand new level of consciousness. I don't know what you want to call it. Some people are calling the Christ consciousness and some people have different ideas. Unity consciousness. How about the heart consciousness? The heart consciousness would be a better one really because uh this consciousness is based on heart u perception rather than brain perception. And it's something outside of who we are right now. It's some it's something that we are just evolving into at this moment. There's only a few people in the world that really understand. It's another set of children, not the indigo or the crystal kids, but what are called the super psychic children, but super psychic implies it's a brain function, but that's not how they're doing these things. They're doing them from their heart and and from the connection to these grids above the earth and uh and they're able to do anything. If you look at the scientific research and what these children are doing, it does not seem possible. And it is something beyond anything we've ever seen. Uh the Chinese have actually scientifically uh uh reported to to all the major major uh magazines like uh Nature Journal and and Science News that they've actually watched children walk through solid walls. No kidding. And they've been able to do things that are where they can just look at a petri dish with DNA in it and change the DNA just by looking at it. uh and and it goes on and on and on and on and this is all scientifically being reported. Uh the world doesn't know what to do about it. I mean the scientifically this they just can't imagine uh what is happening here and uh and so uh the grids now above the earth are done. It took 13,000 years to complete these grids and they're done. They're finished. they're alive and uh and the earth's kundalini which is another deep subject about all of this that moved out of Tibet and into into Chile is now functioning and we are from from what I can see we are ready to go. We're just like in the starting place. All we got to do is somebody give us a green light and we're ready to go. And we're and we're perfectly aligned inside the the timing according to the Mayans and the Hopi and the Zulu and Waha and the Kogi and the Awakos and tribes all over the world are totally wrapped up into this right now. Uh we are ready to be and to go on an adventure like humankind has never had in their lives before. Uh it's it's happening is it happening at the same rate for you? Do you think at the same level and at the same with the same timing or there is different kind of pops and waves of of people on this planet? There are people that are going ahead uh the ascended masters people who have evolved into from all over the world but human beings just like us but evolved and and now are immortal. They don't die anymore and uh and they are deeply is that the same than avatars or not? An avatar is someone coming here onto earth to change humankind. Uh these are beings that are have gone beyond that. Uh they're they're not that that would be like a Jesus would be an avatar. Someone who is attempting to change everything. Uh these are people who did not attempt to change anything. They just did it and went on and they are deeply uh involved in all of this. Uh without them we would have never made it. They are the highest levels of humankind. But there are other level there are other people now here on earth. Lots of them uh probably into at least a million or more that are rapidly changing uh into uh uh levels that are not they're not human anymore. They're able to do things and are able to function on levels that uh we could not say is a human capability. and uh and they're going up further all the time every day. And uh and I study these people. I I go all I go somewhere in the world every three weeks. I've been doing this for 27 years. uh 280 times going around the world to different places and I go in there and I study with people at different places from in Russia or China or Japan or different areas, different places and uh and it is really happening but in small pockets of people. The time is about to come when the entire human race is about to come together and move in a way that uh we had no idea that we it was even possible for do for us to do this. And it's possible for us to miss that. Oh yes, you're not. No, you're not going to you're not going to say is this happening or is it not? There's not going to be any doubt. Uh there's a lot of uh things that are going to occur that are huge and they're part of this human uh jump in consciousness. Um just as birth when a baby comes out and is birthed into this reality, uh it's a pretty big deal for that baby and for the mother and for those that are around. And when we get birthed into this new level of consciousness, uh it's going to be a big deal for us too. It's not going to be anything that you're you're going to wonder if it's happening or not. Even for people that are not interested in this subject, it won't make any difference if they believe in it or don't believe in it or even care. Uh it's going to happen whether they like it or not. It's already in the process. Um what are what are the signs of that for um that it when it will happen? Do we know? Well, there uh one of them uh of these signs is predicted by the Mayans and they're predicting that there's going to be a physical pole shift. Literally, the ax of the axis of the earth is going to turn to a new location. Uh that uh would definitely catch the attention of every last living thing on this earth, not just humans. Uh and it would be huge. Um uh uh there's a lot of people are speculating what that would mean mean the movie 2012 that came out uh scientifically was trying to give an idea of what level that would mean and uh and as you could see that's no little thing. It's big. But um will everybody make this through here? Will the whole humanity every last person? Probably not. But will uh but will humanity make it through? The answer for me is absolutely yes. We've already made it because once that grid is completed around the earth, uh uh life always makes it after that. It's another long story, but uh we we've already made it. I know this from in my heart. I know for sure we've made it. Yeah. Sorry. The what? Well, I was just there there was life for a long time, ET life that were coming here besides these other races that most people were aware of. There were other races they weren't aware of who uh who cared about us but really didn't think that we would be able to make it through to this level. And but uh we've made it uh and as you're going to see over the next year or two or three uh a transformation is going to occur that's just incredible. And uh is there is there a a darker time just before all this happens? Is there an increase in darkness or something that we have to go through before this happens? Yes. And uh science is watching this occur right now. The thing that has to happen uh scientifically people who study uh these kinds of things uh when a pole shift happens there's always always a magnetic pole shift first. And that's exactly what we're going through right now. Uh the the world scientist uh in 2003 put a a made a two an hourong program on NOVA and they were talking about the changes in the magnetic field talking about how 2,000 years ago the the the magnetic field began to drop dramatically and then 500 years ago it really started to drop and get weaker. And then about 40 years ago, it started the the anomalies in the magnetic field begin to appear all over the earth. So much so that about 20 years ago, they had to change all the magnetic maps of the of the of the airports all over the world because they weren't any good anymore. Now they're so bad that they have to look at where the magnetic poles are pointing to at the moment the plane is coming in to make sure that they don't land out in a field somewhere and they land on the on the concrete. and uh and so uh the magnetic fields are getting weaker. In 2003, they made this statement out to the world saying that the the what's happening is this is that the south pole of the of the earth there are these lines that come out the magnetic lines go out at that out the south south pole and then they wrap all the way around the earth and they come in in the north pole and then they come back out the south pole. Well, at the South Pole, what's happening is there there's huge areas being formed that um where the lines are coming out and then wrapping right back in. Uh and those areas are which makes the field weaker and there's areas that are uh these holes are are becoming more and more and more and bigger and bigger and bigger. So in 2003 they said because of what we're watching here we believe that there's going to be a north and south pole shift that the north pole is going to become the south the south is going to become the north and that the pole itself is going to move to another location. And they said at that time we believe that this is going to happen sometime in the next 25 years. Then about 18 months ago and I'm guessing at this time uh they didn't bother they didn't bother to make a movie. They just went straight on the internet and they said that and they got 11 days of talking before the government shut them off. But they said that uh this is getting way worse and moving faster than they ever thought was possible. And that now they think that this this time of 25 years is coming much much closer. And then they this was maybe nine months ago or so. They came back out. They got 5 days before they were shut off and they said they can't even believe what is going on that it is happening so fast that now the the holes are getting so big at the South Pole that they feel that this could happen any day literally any day. And so when the magnetic poles shift on the earth it's an amazing thing because uh it happens very fast and uh and they just go away. Well, what happens when they go away is when uh that that's something that that people may want to get a spend a little bit of time studying because uh it's huge. Uh after 14 days and some some scientific circles say it could be as much as 21 days, but sometime between two and three weeks uh several things take place. One of them is is that humankind their memories are erased. This we know from Russia when they went into space for the first time and the first astronaut that was in space after two weeks he lost his memories completely. He didn't know his name. He didn't know what all these knobs were for. He didn't know anything. And uh and they had to go and get him and bring him back. and they've now declared that he's insane and incurable and his memories are gone. The other person they brought up there, the same thing happened to him. And that's when they realized it's space. Well, at that far in space, the magnetic field is so weak that it can't do what it's supposed to do in the human body. The human body's our memories are magnetic in nature and they're held in place by the weak magnetic field of the earth moving through our body. And so they so what the astronauts did in Russia and now in the United States and everywhere is that they have a little device on their belt that approximates the magnetic field and when that and that in turn uh keeps your memories from being erased and so this is a big deal. We don't know how the uh the governments are going to deal with this. They understand the problem. uh if you can know uh if you study consciousness there is something called the brakaba which is a an external electromagnetic field that is around the body. It's about 55 to 60 ft that surrounds the entire body and that field once it's activated through meditation uh you can approximate the earth's magnetic field and you if you are one of those people you will not have your memories erased. Um this is I think the most serious situation that the earth that the governments of the earth are trying to deal with right at the moment of how to do this. They really don't know what to do. The other thing that happens is that the the uh crust of the earth uh for a long time they could not understand how there could be a pole shift. They just it didn't make any sense because the earth is a huge gyroscope and rotating with unbelievable mass. And if you were to just move the earth to a new axis, the amount of force and energy that would be required is beyond anything that we can imagine that would naturally take place. It would have to be a moon running into the earth to make that kind of force to move the earth off axis. And so even though we know that the earth goes off goes shift shifts its poles all the time. I've personally studied 250 million years and we have done it several hundred times in that time. Now they've gone back about 450 million years and we have shifted our axis many times. We've shifted it 13,000 years ago and we shifted at 26,000 years ago and now 13,000 years ago exactly on December 21st, 2012. uh the scientifically we would expect the poles to shift because they run in flurries when you see them happen. You don't just see one pole shift, you see 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 in a row and we've just had two in a row. So you would expect this to for a pole shift to happen, but we don't know how it could happen. So what they've now discovered and they now have accepted in 1985 is the work of a scientist who discovered something and that is the the crust of the earth a thin eggshell uh hard surface that is surrounded by lava underneath that there's a crust there's a a rock surface that holds the crust to the lava and it's homogeneous over the whole earth and it's a rock and it holds that surface in there until the magnetic field goes to zero. And after 14 to 21 days, this rock turns into a liquid. And now the surface of the earth can just float around and move. It doesn't have the earth can keep rotating. Nothing changes on those levels, but the surface of the earth can move. And uh and the what they believe is going to happen is that the south pole the ice caps are off surface off uh to the they're off center to the spin of the earth. And when we go into uh uh and so when the the crust is free to move that ice is going to move into the spin of the earth and move the crust to a new north and south pole. It's uh uh they're pretty well convinced of this now. In fact, they have already figured out where that north pole is going to be, which is about 17 degrees into Russia in this particular place. And Edgar Casey, a very famous scientist in the 1920s after the 1950s, he predicted in the 1920s, I think it was, that there would be a pole shift at this time. And that's exactly what he predicted. 16 degrees into into Russia almost exactly the same place. So you have the psychics and the scientists agreeing that this is probably going to

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