Joe Dispenza on Repetitive Thought, Identity, and Change — On Purpose with Jay Shetty

most people lose their free will to those programs and it's that uncompromising will where you keep training the animal to stay to get beyond all the Cravings the feelings the habits of the body and catch yourself the bestselling author and host the number one Health and Wellness podcast on purpose with J shett I think the most beautiful and powerful thing in the world is a repetitive thought but sometimes the most dangerous thing in the world is a repetitive thought absolutely and we think about the most beautiful things we create is because we're obsessed with this new idea and this new thought that we want to build something but at the same time we know countless people who they have a thought every day that says I'm unlovable I'm unworthy I don't deserve love in my life if someone's having a negative repetitive thought specifically around selfworth what they believe they deserve in love where do they start with that thought well we think primarily uh 90% of the time we think the same thoughts as we thought the day before the challenge with that is the thought that you keep thinking over and over again becomes belief and nerve cells that fire together wire together so the more nerve cells fire the more they develop long-term relationships and the more hardwired they become the more hardwired they become the more automatic they are the more automatic they are the more unconscious they become come so the process of change really requires becoming conscious of your unconscious thoughts which means just because you have that thought doesn't necessarily mean it's the truth if you have that thought and you accept it you believe it you surrender to it without analyzing it that thought will lead to the same Choice which will lead to the same behavior which will create the same experience which then will produce the same emotion the same emotions then drive our very same thoughts in time our biology our neurocircuitry our neur chemistry our hormones and even our gene expression stays the same because we're the same so in the process of change when you come up against that unconscious belief and you make it conscious most people get uncomfortable uh when they confront that thought and they're stopping an automatic process and the body which has been conditioned to be the mind because it's doing something over and over again that's a habit is craving the experience because it wants the emotion associated with it right so the thought of being unworthy produces the feeling of being unworthy that feeling then when the person feels unworthy tends to cause the person to think more unworthy thoughts it only takes a thought and a feeling an image of yourself and an emotion a stimulus and response and you can condition the body to memorize that behavior and that emotional state better than the conscious mind so the moment we inhibit that thought or the moment we become conscious of and we no longer accept it there's a biological craving that takes place in the body because the body has been conditioned to be the mind so the body starts influencing the mind to think more corresponding thoughts equal to that feeling so here comes the assault now you're not only unworthy you're you're everything else that goes along with that feeling and this is where uh people have to make up their mind if they truly want to change because if you decide to confront that thought and make a different Choice get ready because you're going to feel uncomfortable it's going to feel unfamiliar and it's going there's going to be some uncertainty cuz you're stepping out of familiar territory now you're stepping out of the known and you're stepping into the unknown now this is really when you leave the bleachers and you get on the playing field because the brain immediately looks around in its environment to see if anything's changing because you're changing and you see that nothing in your world is changing because you actually haven't fully changed yet so the moment we look for evidence in our life and we don't see it sooner or later most people accept that thought which leads to the same Choice which creates the same behavior which creates the same experience that produces the same feeling then they say oh this feels right to me no that feels familiar because you've just returned back to the known self I think that when people truly want to make up their mind to change and they become so conscious of those unconscious thoughts they would never go unconscious to them again that's the moment the body is being reconditioned to a new mind if you inhibit that choice that leads to that habit or that behavior a habit is when you've done something so many times the body knows how to do it better than the brain now you're stopping the body from being on its automation on autopilot and if the body is craving the feeling of unworthiness and you're stopping the body from feeling that way and you're aware in your life how you speak you're aware in your life how you're feeling and you're checking in you're saying do I really want to feel this way this is that River of change where you're going from the old self to the new self so it makes sense then if those principles and biology work in that way they could actually work in our favor so if you said okay I'm going to sit down for a few minutes I'm going to become so conscious of my unconscious self my unconscious personality that Victory today would not be going unconscious to those thoughts behaviors and emotions okay let me get so familiar with them that I don't go unconscious okay I got that down now what what thoughts do I want of fire and wire in my brain and if a belief is a thought that you keep thinking over and over again with intention and with attention you'll switch on that prefrontal cortex and assign meaning to the ACT and start installing new circuits in your brain if you keep doing it over and over again it becomes more hardwired it becomes more automatic and now you're installing a new belief that you are worthy of love you are worthy of abundance you are worthy to heal whatever that is that's the thought you do want to believe in and when it matters the most is when it's the hardest because if you don't have the circuitry in place you'll default back to the old programs right so then if you said how am I going to be in my zoom calls today how am I going to be in traffic today how am I going to be with my ex my co-workers uh and you started thinking about and rehearsing how you were going to act in certain situations the brain actually doesn't know the difference between the real life experience and what you're Imagining the research on mental rehearsal shows that the brain will look like in time that it's already had the experience and it's vacant of the experience now keep firing and wiring those circuits and you're going to begin to behave that way so now you're installing circuitry now to use in your life to get your behaviors to match your intentions if you said how would it feel to feel worthy of love how would it feel to be grateful for Life how would it feel to be worthy of abundance and you said I'm going to teach my body emotionally what this feels like before the manifestation of the event you're not waiting for your life to change to feel worthy you're actually changing your life by becoming worthy you're generating abundance you're generating love you're creating an elevated emotion m M now our data is so compelling because when you truly begin to elevate your emotional state and you could really lock in you know to those elevated emotions your body is so objective that it actually believes that it's living in a whole new environment before the environment changes in other words the body is believing it's in that new future and if the environment signals the Gene and it does and the end product of an experience the environment is an emotion you're actually signaling genes ahead of the environment and your body will begin to become conditioned to a new mind now think about this if you did that every day the word meditation literally means become familiar with you become familiar with your old self you become familiar with your new self and you say I'm not getting up until I feel this feeling and then you'd say I want to be able to bring this feeling up whenever I want I'm going to keep remembering this feeling over and over again only takes a thought feeling an image of the future and emotion a stimulus and response you can condition your body to believe it's living in a whole new life and when you feel the emotions of your future something amazing happens you're no longer in lack or separation so you're no longer looking for the event to take away that feeling of lack or separation your body's actually believing it's in the event and so then you're not looking for it you feel like it's already happened get ready because that's when your life begins to change and so we've discovered that if you're actually practicing this and you immersed yourself in that experience fully for 7even days the amount of metabolic and biological changes that will take place in your body will be so significant that your body will actually believe it's living in that future and yet most of the people that come to our workshops are literally in a ballroom there's nothing really exciting happening in the environment but their bodies believing they're living in a whole new life and so one thought leads to a choice which leads to a behavior which creates an experience that produces an emotion so then new information new knowledge begins to cause you to think differently if you can remember that knowledge and begin to make a different choice because you want to experience the truth of that information you'll have to behave differently and when the experience occurs and you feel the feeling of your abundance or wealth I guarantee you you're going to continue wanting to make the process of change something consistent in your life this is why I love talking to you I mean that literally you could just what you just said there I hope everyone listens to it again and again and again and partly I think there's something to be said for that the best things that have rewired my brain and my mind were things that I repeated daily I took something that I loved listening to or loved learning or reading a paragraph of a book and I would literally just reprogram Myself by giving that to my mind every single day yeah and as I'm listening to you talk I think there's a few really powerful things I wanted to pull out uh when I lived as a monk and studied the Vaders they would talk about thoughts in different modes and there are three modes the mode of ignorance the mode of passion and the mode of goodness and there's a hierarchy to those thoughts and so the mode of ignorance would be an unfulfilling thought or a completely fear or insecurity based thought which would be I am not worthy or I am unlucky and I can't do that I can't be in love no one can be in love with me that's like a mode of ignorance thought a mode of passion thought would be I can be in love with anyone I want and I can find anything and uh it's it's almost like you know you're lying to yourself and you haven't really you haven't really applied what you're saying and it's just this big bold statement but it doesn't quite sit and resonate and the mode of goodness thought is I can take steps daily to create love in my life right now and and you start to see how people would often look at what we're saying and they think oh it's just positive thinking it isn't it's not it's not just a false statement what you're saying is what you two words you used intention and attention you're actually being conscious about where that intention and the attention is being placed you're intending that if I do something every day and I place my attention on XYZ then I can create this new reality for myself whenever I have a tough conversation coming up a tough meeting something difficult I'll rehearse it in my head and you're so right that you can prepare for the future even when I do skydiving or if I'm sitting in a cold plunge I'm preparing my mind before I even do it there's no point of just jumping in and diving in I think what's really interesting is that partly a lot of the anxiety and stress we feel is because we kind of hope that we'll never feel anxiety and stress again so there's a sense of like okay I get to a place where I never experienced anxiety I I almost think that that sets us up to be more hurt by the anxiety and inevitable uncertainty will feel I would love to hear your thoughts gosh let me love to respond this we got three thoughts going on at the same time do it so so to fulfill the first part of that question it's an experiment right it's an experiment life is an experiment so if your personality creates your personal reality and your personality is made of how you think how you act and how you feel if you keep thinking the same way you keep acting the same way you keep feeling the same way your life is going to stay the same because you're the same so the experiment is okay let me begin to think differently so I got to remind myself how I do want to think and I have to remind myself of how I no longer want to think so I don't default and go unconscious let me remind myself how I'm going to behave so that I could actually get my behaviors to match my intentions and let me remind myself of how I'm going to feel if I'm able to succeed in that day then there should be some change in my life this the experiment that and and and if it doesn't change that doesn't mean the law doesn't work for you it's just you're not that good yet it just you just got to keep practicing right so the act of disconnecting from your life long enough to remind yourself of who you do want to be and who you no longer want to be that experiment then is the experiment called life now it's not that you react the question is how long are you going to react that's the real question cu I mean I react all the time I everybody does but if you're going to stay there and you're going to live in that emotional state you will see life through that lens of that emotion right so now it gets complicated because the stronger the emotion you feel towards certain people or problems in your life the more you pay attention to them and where you place your attention is where you place your energy so from a purely biological as well as Quantum State we could say then you're using that person or that circumstance to reaffirm your dependence on feeling that emotion so you have to hate your enemy and if your enemy dies you'll find another person to hate because that is that is the response right so the body is is the animal it's been conditioned a certain way and it's and if it's been doing something and feeling something for an extended period of time there's a modification of its receptor sites it's it's needing those emotional states so in the process of change just be ready because you' --- lings so you're turning towards something external to numb how you feel or today we're being told well feel every feeling and emotion completely and then often we don't kind of get to the reprogramming phase so I guess how do you know how how long to take a feeling seriously effectively and assessing it before you kind of take action on it feelings and emotions are the end product of past experiences and we can remember experiences better because we can remember how they feel the stronger the emotion we have to some experience in our life the more altered we are inside of us the more the brain freezes a frame and takes a snapshot and that's called a long-term memory that that image is being bossed neurologically in the brain so then what most people don't know is that every time they remember that event that trauma that betrayal that loss whatever it is they're producing producing the same chemistry in their brain and body as if the event is occurring so what happens over time is that conditioning process conditions the body to literally live in the past so if a person is living by the same familiar feeling every single day whether it's guilt or unworthiness or pain or suffering or victimization or depression or whatever it is it's so important for them to come right up against that emotional state because they're coming up against the known the question fundamentally becomes for that person is it possible then to feel a different feeling now if you cannot feel a different feeling other than the feeling that you're used to feeling it should tell you volumes about that feeling because it's going to influence your very same thoughts so the research that we've done over and over again is that the the only way you're actually going to reprogram your brain to work in your favor is you got to learn how to regulate your brain waves and you know this of course beta brainwave patterns are thinking brain wve patterns it's the analytical mind it's our critical facilities the we're in beta right now we're aware of our bodies we're aware of the environment we're aware of time the neocortex is switched on it's what plugs us into three-dimensional reality it's the seat of the autobiographical self there's a lot of circuits in there from things you've learned intellectually and things you've experienced in your life so for the most part it's a repository of the past right and so 90% of those thoughts that we think being the same thoughts as the day before tend to become like automatic programs and they become more subconscious or more unconscious so in order for us to begin to change those programs we got to get into the operating system and only way we do that is we got to slow our brain waves down in that thinking neocortex the challenge for most people is they have so many demands in their life they have so many emotional resp responses to circumstances in their life that they're living in a state of stress and living in a state of survival and a state of stress and survival You Don't Close Your Eyes you got to keep your eye on the ball you got to keep your attention on the outer environment so uh their brains tend to work in a higher brain wave pattern a mid-range or high level beta brain wave pattern that's like driving your sports car in first gear it's it's a lot of energy for the brain so so learning how to regulate and slow your brain waves down is something that we've been very very interested and when you teach people how to do that it could become a skill and uh when the brain starts to relax and it moves into less of that chatter that takes place in your brain and more of kind of an imaginary State the brain sees in pictures and images it's more creative we're moving into that Alpha state so now the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind opens up as we get beyond our analytical mind and our analytical mind is actually what separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind so as you slow your brain waves down you get into Alpha you're entering the operating system and that's where you can rewrite a new program that's where you can rehearse a new script that's where you can begin to plan your behaviors in a in a in an intentional way if you if you can't change your brain waves then it's like your computer running a mck with all of those programs and you yelling at it telling it to stop you're not in the operating system some people can get to the point where they're so relaxed that the body's in a light sleep and yet they're conscious and awake and now they're in this Theta brain wave pattern and in Theta that's a hypnotic State we're very suggestible to our thoughts we're very suggestible to information in that state and that state then is where we see the most change take place and so the person can literally change from the inside out when they learn how to get into the operating system you've just hit the net on the head with the constant experience everyone has to think again going back to what I was saying that when we're trying to make a change the thing that blocks us from making the change is usually stress if I'm trying to be a kind loving compassionate person but I'm stressed out I'm likelier to be Snappy and rude and condescending if I'm trying to be healthier in my diet but I'm stressed out or burnt out I'm going to reach for the sugary food or the carbs and the fat like that doesn't come from anything else but stress to take away the feeling to take away the feeling take away the feeling right so let's get real clear because I think it's important for people to understand when we're talking about stress and we're talking about living in survival it's so important to name those emotions because anger and frustration and control and hatred and envy and jealousy and insecurity and unworthiness and guilt and shame and suffering and depression those are all derived those are emotions that are D derived from the hormones of stress and psychology calls those normal states of Consciousness those are Altered States Of Consciousness because in stress the physiology is that we're knocked out of homeostasis we're knocked out of balance because we perceiving some threat some danger some emergency and so the stronger the emotion you feel to whatever stressor there is in your life the more you pay attention to it and so in time then you have to keep your attention on all the important elements in your life so you sit down to do a meditation and when you're living in stress and you're living in survival there's only three things that are important in that moment your attention is on your body because you got to preserve it your attention is on something in your environment and what's in your environment people objects things places and you're very preoccupied with time and when you're in stress and you're in survival the brain goes onto a default mode and it's naturally trying to predict the next next moment based on what it's learned in the past and so as you always try to forecast the future based on your memory of the past you can't be in the present moment right so and yet our our model of change what we discovered is that the only way a person can change is when they get beyond their body they get beyond all the elements of their environment and they get beyond that predictable Fusion familiar past and they sink into the present moment which is the unknown so if you can't do that that because of the hormones of stress most people will sit down and they'll say okay I'm going to close my eyes I'm going to start this process where I'm going to rehearse how I'm going to be today and they start thinking about their cell phone they start thinking about all their emails and they start thinking I can't meditate there's something wrong with me it's my mother's fault you know and they actually believe that thought to be the truth and then they get up and they they actually reaffirm it and they say I can't meditate now I can tell you that if you are willing to see that thought is just a thought in your brain and you're curious what's on the other side of that thought yeah you're going to feel uncomfortable but if you had some tools and skills to apply and you were able to take your attention off your cell phone and settle your body back down into the present moment that would be a victory and then your body would say come on you got to feel a little frustration now you got to be impatient you got to be judgmental come on that's what you always think that's how you always feel and you like an animal you settle the body back down into the present moment and you tell it it's no longer the mind that you're the mind that's a victory then the body says uh hey dude you're super busy you got a lot of things to do you got a lot of people to see you got a lot of places to go you got a lot of things to do and you've been doing the same thing every day your body is going to want to get up and do something you're going to want to quit cuz your brain's telling you that you can't do this if you had the awareness to settle the body back down into the present moment you would be executing a will that's greater than the program because most people lose their free will to those programs and it's that tedium in the beginning that is an uncompromising will where you keep training the animal to stay to take all of its attention off the environment to get beyond all the Cravings the feelings the habits of the body the drives of the body and catch yourself defaulting to that predictable future bringing the body back into the present moment siphoning energy back your attention into the past based on those familiar emotions of the past we've discovered that if you're willing to do that for just a few days you could actually liberate an enormous amount of energy from your body you go from particle to wave from matter to energy and you're literally transmuting those limited emotions into elevated emotions and something really beautiful happens if you're willing to fire The Crucible and sit through that long enough all of these emotions move that energy moves right up into the heart and the person starts falling in love with life they start feeling this state of gratitude this gratefulness to be alive this inevitable word of relaxed and awake M and something really magical happens when we've discovered uh this little simple thing when that energy makes it to the heart there's only one place it wants to go and it goes straight to the brain so the person starts relaxing into their heart when they feel this feeling and the more they relax into the heart the more their brain all of a sudden starts becoming aroused and they start going into these elevated gamma brain wave patter patter now gamma is not unconscious gamma is actually superconscious it's actually super aware you're outside the program now so when that occurs and the Brain goes into gamma brain wave patterns what we discovered is not it's not a little gamma it's not a lot of gamma it's not a whole lot of gamma it's a supernatural amount of gamma and we start seeing these brain waves where we see Theta start carrying Alpha Alpha and Alpha starts resonating with beta and beta starts creating High beta and high beta starts creating gamma and you see these standing waves of brain coherence happening and the person feels so amazing that they don't want the moment to end and so we see when they put their attention on their heart like like filling a gas tank we see on the gauge of the on the scan this very low frequency start rising in the heart the the energy that's the heart uses to to function actually goes up because they're placing their attention there and where they Place their attention is where they Place their energy then you see the parasympathetic nervous system come up with it that's the nervous system of relaxation and then we see it kind of drop and we see the sympathetic nervous system starting to go up and now sympathetic regulation is an arousal right but the arousal isn't fear the arousal isn't ha hat or aggression the arousal isn't pain that's the arousal created from survival there's only one other arousal and that's ecstasy that's Bliss and the person all of a sudden feels connected to something greater now here's the beauty we we we could see people do this in 15 minutes the most important takeaway around all of this is that feeling that they're feeling is not coming from anywhere outside of them no person's doing that no wardrobe change is doing that no sports card no football game nothing is doing it to them it's actually coming from within that is the moment they stop looking for it outside of them and the love affair begins and so when we start feeling these elevated emotions these more selfless emotions it's not like you have to try to forgive it actually is the side effect of you changing your emotional state you no longer want uh because you feel so whole how could you want anything so we we we started interviewing people when they had these moments and and they had such an incredible amount of love that they felt their we measure their oxytocin levels their love chemicals very elevated uh the the amount of gamma in terms of coherence was 200 300 400 standard deviations outside of normal in coherent gamma now three standard deviations outside of normal in gamma is about 2% of the population 200 300 4 a lot of energy in the brain so the brain all of a sudden is receiving an enormous amount of energy so we've discovered relaxed in the heart and awaken the brain and that process of transformation is your willingness to sit past that thought past that emotion and keep training the animal and sooner or later you can re recondition it to a new mind and the system for this new your mind in this journey that you're talking about is meditation like this is coming through a meditative practice is that similar to the breath work meditation practice that you just did research on or is that totally separate these wow okay yes so um our weeklong events are uh a full immersion experience we've done the largest studies on meditation that have ever been done just because we have a community of 1,00 people that come to an event that are going to be getting up at the same time doing the same thing uh pretty much eating making the same food choices and pretty much a big laboratory right and so our discoveries in working with 1,00 people in in measuring brain waves be their brain function before and after the event um measuring their gene expression before and after the event we're measuring uh 2,882 metabolites in their blood we're measuring DNA expression we're measuring urine we're measuring saliva we're measuring the energy of the room we're measuring everything and meditation in a sense that it's not in the traditional way um what we do is we look at what really works you know we're actually looking to say well that's something that we can actually see a change in so we teach meditation three ways to become familiar with your old self and --- a one-off thing and that isn't what you're encouraging like this is the experience of when someone's coming to a retreat or an event they're having this incredible experience but then do you measure how people continue to practice take yeah it's super important for us um uh and of course we have mounds of data but let's see if I can say this uh as as clear as I possibly can when a person has that arousal where they're feeling that elevated emotion and their their eyes are closed they're in a room with 1,800 people there's music playing in the background they're not eating they're not smelling they're not tasting they're not moving about and feeling on some level they're having an inner experience right the body is so objective that it's literally believing it's living in a new environment and so that elevated emotion somehow tends to drag the body right out of the past into the present moment so many people with everything from eczema to muscular distrophy when they have those events there's a biological change that takes place in their body where they feel completely differently now some people heal all the way some people are out of their wheelchair and they're walking again but they're limping and it doesn't mean it's over it just means they made contact where they they hid gold and so there's varying degrees that we see we've seen people for seven years work on a terminal health condition took them seven years to heal that health condition some people it takes 2 years 3 years some people they do it in 3 months we there's no uh predictable menu that we can say it's this way now when people have those more profoundly aroused States it seems like uh their change is much more immediate and much more permanent uh but for the most part we see people's response pretty dramatic now it's also important to say that we have seen people heal from from terminal cancers stop feeling those elevated emotions and return to responding to the circumstances and conditions in their life and return back to the same personality the same personality is the same personal reality and their body is believing it's living in that same environment and they're feeling the same way and they're in the habit of acting the same way and thinking the same way and lo and behold uh the condition returns um we've seen people heal themselves of Parkinson's disease more than once have one response to some very serious event in their life that produced a very strong emotion and in one hour their condition returned because they literally went back to their old self and we've seen that person turn around and reverse the condition again again people do the best with what they think is available the person standing on the stage who we've had numerous Physicians and researchers stand on the stage they're the 4-minute mile they're telling the community I'm the example of Truth now this is no longer philosophy this is no longer Theory here's my scans I we had someone with bilateral breast cancer just recently uh no evidence of cancer in our breasts or any lymph nodes no longer in our liver I'm looking out at the audience and everybody's leaning in there's 4minute Mile and that person's telling the truth and they're they're telling a story and it's not pretty it's not always uh Rosy they they went through a lot of Dark Nights they went through a lot of their condition getting worse but every day they had to show up for themselves if they stopped showing up and doing the work they would really not believe it was possible but if they showed up and did the work it means that they believe it's possible and I think when you believe in possibility you got to believe in yourself mhh when you believe in yourself you got to believe in possibilities so it used to be a few examples of of that now we have so many great testimonials so many great stories that now people it's becoming infectious just like a virus or any bacteria becomes infectious now health and wellness becomes as infectious as disease and you get a community of people uh starting to break through and you start seeing these changes where people stand on the stage invariably you're going to see a very strong shift in Consciousness and Consciousness is awareness and if you're unaware that you could actually heal yourself you'll make the same Choice once you see it uh I think it starts be creating a brush fire and and and that's really the exciting part so we've seeing so many great testimonials that are undeniably great stories of transformation and many many of those people still no longer have their eczema still no longer have their Parkinson still no longer have their cancer yeah since since the last time we spoke I know your team of research has went and did some work I wanted to ask you some questions about this you did some research on the impact of one minute breath work how does this impact our heart rate variability and how does HIV impact our anxiety let's talk about heart rate variability because it's an important thing so so your brain is trying to control and predict everything that's taking place in your life because stress is actually created when you can predict something you can control something or you have the perception that something's going to get worse okay so you switch on that primitive nervous system the fight ORF flight nervous system and as you shift your attention from one person to another person to another thing to another place to another problem every one of those different elements has a neurological Network in your brain so the arousal of the hormones to say pay attention there's danger as you start shifting your attention to each one of these elements that have neurological networks in your brain your brain starts firing very incoherently and in fact you could actually by thinking about your problems turn on the stress response just by thought alone and that's what most people do so now there you are you're sitting in traffic the heart is pumping because it's trying to get blood to the extremities because A Primitive system switching on saying that there's there's a predator there's danger and the heart is beating against closed arteries and the Heart starts beating out of rhythm it starts beating out of order and it starts beating very incoherently so when you have incoherence in the brain and you have incoherence in the heart when waves are incoherent when they intersect with each other they cancel each other out and when they cancel each other out that's less energy in the brain if there's less energy in the brain you're going to default to some of those reflexive systems If energy is diminished in the heart you're not going to trust you're not going to be vulnerable You're not going to want to commune you're not not going to want to connect you're not going to want to feel grateful it's not a time to feel any of those things it's time to run fight and hide okay so most people say okay well it to I had a stressful day I was stressed out the entire day and at the end of the day they turn on the TV and they they relax the important thing to re realize is that if you're relying on something outside of you to change that emotional state you'll become dependent on it so is it possible then to begin to create more coherence in the brain and the answ is yes because when you're under the gun of those chemicals of survival you're narrowing your focus on the cost you hear something moving in the bushes you freeze and you narrow your focus and it's that narrowing of focus that tends be obsessive when we're in stress we overthink things we overanalyze that actually we've discovered makes the brain worse it actually makes the heart regulate more out of order so then we said okay if the brain is narrowing its focus and it's becoming overattentive what if we teach it how to do something else what if we teach it how to broaden its focus and instead of focusing on something material or something known just open up and focus on nothing in the act of broad the focus actually cause a person to stop thinking and doing and start sensing and feeling is actually what starts to slow their brain waves down the redundancy of Shifting your attention from one person to another person to another problem to another thing causes the brain to fire like a lightning storm in the clouds very incoherently so as you start to open your awareness and sense nothing we've we've seen this thousands of times those different networks that are firing out of order start to synchronize and what sinks in the brain links in the brain and the Brain be becomes more orderly it starts to become more coherent if you could learn how to rest your attention in your heart and where you place your attention is where you place your energy regulate your breath start slowing your breathing down even if you did it for one minute you could actually begin to change your brain waves MH and you could actually cause your heart to start functioning more regulation and more or order if you said okay I'm going to work with my body and I'm going to start breathing and I'm going to start feeling emotions that I do want to feel yes it may take you a few minutes to get there but if you keep practicing it over and over again the heart starts producing a very profound signal it starts to produce an external magnetic field it's it's it's measurable so now you have a coherent brain which means you can get very intentional and you have a coherent heart which means you can feel the emotions of your future before it happens somehow you have this broadcasting of this wi-fi signal uh and the Brain tends to be electrical in nature so it's sends out an electrical charge into the field the heart is the magnetic charge it's what draws things to us it's the it's the magnetic field and now you actually by changing the way you think and the way you feel you're changing the signal in the field then if you're able to maintain that state for an extended period of time I say something magical is going to happen in your life something unusual some unknown experience is going to occur if you keep thinking the same way and feeling the same way your life should stay the same so we do one minute practices we do five minute practices we do 30 minute practices we want to get so good at doing it with our eyes closed that we can do it with our eyes open yeah now I when I hear that like I've had personal genuine experience of that where I've done that when I've had when I'm having a moment where I'm feeling anxious or I'm feeling stressed or you know something unpredictable has happened and I feel that change in my heart rate and I notice my breathing change I notice it become more shallow I notice it become more random I know that when I'm practicing breath work I'm able to come back to Stillness I'm able to come back to that sense of balance and I'm able to actually approach the issue at hand with more clarity with more connectedness and a feeling of confidence but when someone else who may not have had that experience yet or may not be trained in that they're just thinking well how do I solve the problem right like they're they're listening to me and you're going well but I can't because I just I need to solve this problem like you're saying like I'm going to be 30 minutes late for a job interview or I just had an argument with my partner this morning and I've got a big presentation this morning as well at work now I'm stressed about it because I'm thinking about that or my kid just had got yeah I had to rush into hospital and now I'm late like I guess when you're looking at it from a very human point of view it's really hard to understand the value in this what do you say to anyone who's thinking and feeling that way uh no I think it's I think it's a reasonable conversation I mean um uh sometimes we have to be super aroused uh and sometimes we really have to pay attention and sometimes there are threats and dangers where that primitive nervous system actually works in our favor and and that's the emergency system but you got to also realize that you only have a certain amount of energy and if you're living in emergency mode for an extended period of time there's no energy for growth and repair there's no energy for long-term building projects and so when it's needed uh and you have to outrun the Predator you go you don't sit and try to make friends with a predator we're not that good you run right the problem is if keep that alarm system switched on all the time it gets very addictive it's a great on it's gets very addictive right and so I've looked at people's brain scans uh and watch their brain get worse in the early days and tap them on the head and say what were you doing in there 100% of the time they were analyzing the problems in their life within that disturbing emotion and if an emotion is a record of the past and they can't think greater than how they feel they're thinking in the past there's no no solution there cross the river get beyond the emotion and you'll see possibility because you're no longer in the box of that emotional state now that's so much easier said than done because you're going against thousands of years of programming of living in survival I mean 200 years ago it wasn't easy being human I mean we're in survival all the time I me famine you know every disease I mean it was it was hard to be human and so we have to lay down the very thing we used our whole life to get what we want for something greater to occur and it goes against thousands of years of programming it's not something that you get good at doing once you got to keep practicing so so so you really have two ways to look at it if you're if you're living in stress and you're living in survival and that system is switched on then everything will be a threat everything will be a danger everything will be a reason to rush to be impatient to be frustrated to be judgmental because that's that's the Consciousness that's the emotion we're living by so now you you have a a problem with a co-worker you have a problem with your partner whatever it is that you use as an example and you have to give a presentation now now you really have one of two choices either be victimized by those conditions in your life and you stay in that emotional state and I'll say to you Jay why are you that way well I'm this way because of this person the circumstance the person or circumstan is controlling the way I feel and the way I think think anything that controls the way I feel and the way I think I'm victim to right okay or I actually can be a Creator now okay so when it's the hardest it matters the most okay so there's going to be a story a valid story that's going to go along with those emotions that you're going to have to give up that you can address at another time from a different state if you're altered in that state and you say something you do something you write the email you send the text you'll always regret it you'll always say should have never said that I should h --- tate yeah I mean look there's no there's there's nothing wrong with with the hormones of stress I mean that's the only way we could actually survive we're we're part human part animal part Divine I mean we have two things that work here I I think the biggest challenge for a lot of people and 70% of the time people are living in that state of survival living in that state of stress the more you understand what that actually does to you the more you can make better choices on how long you actually do want to stay there here's an example many people who are changing a health condition in our work they start to do the work they start noticing I'm sleeping better uh I have less pain uh I got my appetite back I feel like I have more energy they start noticing these subtle subjective changes they go to their doctor uh and their their scans still show that they have their health condition so they're noticing a change but they're not healed all the way now they don't say it didn't work they say what is it about me that I still have to change in order to heal what thought what Behavior what emotion so they're work in progress right many of those people discover that they have one real good hour of meditation where they feel connected they feel like their heart is opening up they feel like their brain is coherent they feel really great they don't want the moment to end and then they spend 15 or 16 hours of their day back in a program rushing around back in their emotional states responding and reacting and they realize that how could one hour of an elevated State way against 15 or 16 hours of my response to everyone and everything in my life emotionally is derived from those familiar emotions of fear or anger or hatred or or pain or suffering whatever okay so now this is where the practicum actually goes to the next level because they're no longer just sitting down and rehearsing who they want to be they're actually rehearsing for their life they're saying okay when I see that person when I'm in that circumstance I can't go unconscious and feel this emotion and I can't go unconscious and say these things or act this way how am I going to act what would love do what would greatness look like they don't know they read about it they get more information and they're building this model and now all of a sudden the response to people to circumstances the problems in their life are changing that's because they're changing then they notice that their health condition starts to improve a little bit more now now they don't say how come my Alzheimer's or my Parkinson's or my ALS has been healed they're saying how much more can I open my heart in my day and feel this with my eyes open all day long if I understand that if I live by these emotions I'm signaling genes ahead of the environment oh I'm going to stay in this state because it's this emotional state that is actually going to heal me so I got to remember this feeling got to remember this feeling got to remember this feeling and now they're no longer trying to remember the Feeling Just for any other reason but because I want to remember the feeling when they're with their eyes open now it's their understanding the more that they change the more that their health changes and and and you can have the best diet and you could do the best exercise and you could be really rigid in the food choices and vitamins and minerals uh and keep your body chemically balanced and physically balanced but if you're not emotionally balanced and you're constantly in that fight ORF flight system stress is when your body's knocked out of homeostasis the stress is when your brain and body are knocked out of balance so so you you could have all those things working for you but if you are living in fear or you're controlling and you're rigid and you're perfectionist and you're hard on yourself it's going to make sense that that is going to have to change in order for you to change right and so people start getting they start getting it I that's the only way I'm going to change if I don't change it's not going to change yeah one of my favorite things as a practical exercise I ever did was I literally had scripts and I mean handwritten like I wrote scripts for how I wanted to feel when I experienced ego or envy and so for for every emotional challenge I had something that I thought was an unhealthy thought I literally had like pages and pages and pages of scripts that were built up from research that were built up from spiritual literature that were built up from science whatever it may be of what did I want to be able to say to myself when this thought or that thought came up and it sounds so basic but it really does rewire your thoughts when now all I can think of is that script and I need to update that script regularly sure that's a good point I mean I mean I'm constantly yeah it's not once I'm constantly I mean I mean 95% of Who We Are by the time middle AG is a set of unconscious thoughts behaviors and emotions I mean those are beliefs and perceptions that we have about ourselves in our lives so I mean this is a never- ending process of self-discovery I mean there's always challenges that you'll have in your life that are going to initiate you into becoming conscious of what you're unconscious to and you got to meet those challenges from a greater level of Consciousness than the Consciousness that's created and you if you don't your response in the way you feel and the way you think being the same and if you believe that how you think and how you feel creates your life if you don't change the way you think and the way you feel your life's going to stay the same because you're the same I mean that's the way it works so fundamentally it's so important for people to understand that it is actually possible to change it really is possible it is yeah it I I love you keep repeating that because it's I think that's the hardest part where you've just again the the broken record is I can't change nothing will change and not realizing that it's just a set of habits it's just a set of routines that you've adopted as your reality and you're going to be uncomfortable so get used to it and so you could either stay uncomfortable or you could actually say how do I want to feel let me instead of memorizing this emotion let me memorize this emotion let me open my heart when it's goes against everything that been taught and programmed to do I mean and and that's really when it really begins to matter the most so it's it's really an exciting time and and I'm so happy to see that people are wrapping their minds around all of this and doing it you know doing it for themselves absolutely absolutely have you found a difference and I want to get a bit more technical here have you found a difference between meditation with bre breath work and without breath work because I know you do both and and what do you find is the usefulness and benefits of either so we do so many different types of breath breath for so many different types of reasons the breath that we were talking about with Inspire pulling the mind out of the body we do that breath to take that creative life force that sits at the base of the spine that that energy that can create another another life form the energy we use to digest a meal the energy that we use to run from a predator we're taking all that energy that's stored in the body emotionally and we're pulling that energy back up into the brain If you practice this breath repeatedly there will be a release of energy into the brain we have the data to show that you're going to have a lot more energy in your brain you're going to be way more coherent in your brain and you're going to be more conscious right and so why is that important why because when you regulate your brain waves we don't want you to fall asleep we want you to actually be really relaxed and awake at the same time so we do this one breath called pulling the mind out of the body that's the Inspire Series where we're taking all that Creative Energy and we're we're with the breath pulling the energy right up to a specific area the brain when you do that properly your brain will go into an altered state that's the reason why we do it then we do all kinds of other breathing like breathing to change the heart uh Rhythm uh sometimes when we're doing a laying down breath uh when we're practicing getting into that mystical State uh just when the audience is just starting to move into a slower brain wave state we'll do a very forced inhalation exhalation inhalation over and over again like a hiker's breath only so that the person feels euphoric and so euphoric that they don't want to fall asleep and they'll move into a slower brain wave pattern and the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind opens and many times there's a mystical experience waiting for that person uh that's transcendental so so we do all kinds of different breathing uh techniques because we have different intentions behind each one of them if people want to dive into those where where should they go if they want to kind of grab some of those techniques or get access are they only at the events uh there's an online course that we offer called the progressive Workshop great um in the Progressive Workshop we teach a few of those breaths and if you come to a weeklong event you'll have an opportunity to do all of them and we start at 6:00 in the morning we finish at I don't know Cancun the last one we did I think we finished at 8 or 8:30 every night it was just a great group of people and and uh we go seven days and and some mornings are a little earlier but uh you got a lot of practice you got a lot of tools uh so by the time you leave you can you can use them in your life yeah that's amazing yeah for anyone who can't obviously get to the live event then the online course will be helpful but if you can go to one and I think I think there's some good descriptions also in in becoming Supernatural my last book where we break it all down uh and then there's some tutorials that we have on our website to help you with some of the breathing yeah I love that Joe is there anything I haven't asked you about today or anything that's on your mind and heart that you really want to share with everyone or something you've been working on or or anything you feel compelled to share gosh we uh we covered a lot we we've covered a lot I we're doing some really cool research with random Avent generators and random event generators are sophisticated coin tosses you know if you the more you toss a coin the more you're going to get 50/50 heads heads or tails right so this machine generates program machine generates um about a th tosses in a second so you're looking at a very very sophisticated machine and if you run it for 30 minutes you're going to see in time an equal number of ones or zeros or heads or tails and you're going to see the straight line when you get a group of people together with brain coherence and heart coherence they're emitting a field and when we do healings in our events 100% of the time when we do those healings those random event generators have dramatic SKS to show that random events become less random and more intentional and it's Collective networks of observers that determine reality and it's not the number of people it's not the amount of energy because it could be entropic it's the most coherent energy and we're causing a machine that's programmed to behave in a very very different way and I think that idea of community of people coming together when everybody else is in fear uh to show courage when everybody else is in pain uh to show compassion when everybody else is in anger or hatred that to show love I mean I think by Nature as human beings I think we are wired to give to connect to commune to take care of one another to heal one another to shine for one another and and our data is so exciting to to actually support that theorem yeah I love that you brought that up and I'm that's you know that's very macro and big as well but also micro in that you're you're measuring people's daily experience I think you know when I think about families who live together or couples or Partners or or whoever you may be you know when you're sleeping together when you're waking up together at the same time when you're sitting for meals together when you know we've realized and we know that the science shows that your heart rate sink up like your heartbeats sink up when you're with someone and I think it's really interesting because I think today in our individualistic world there's a big desire to do things at our own time when we want how we want but if you're truly trying to build a relationship with someone else or build community there's so much to be said for doing these basic practices at the same time together right it's really hard to be in community when you're in survival uh because survival makes us put our attention on ourselves right uh and I I think that when people are not living in survival when they're out of survival our nature really is community is is culture is connection and it starts with the self then it starts with our closest relationships and builds out from there and I I think that's a a a healthy model you know for the for the world I mean when you're working on yourself and I'm working on myself and I'm okay with me and you're okay with you we're going to be okay with everybody you know and I think when we're not okay with ourselves uh that's when uh it gets complicated that's amazing everyone who's listening and watching make sure you go 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morning but you chose to be here and uh thank you so much for being here I really appreciate it thank you Jay thank you for having me thank you if you love this episode you'll enjoy my interview with Dr Daniel aan on how to change your life by changing your brain you want a drip dopamine don't dump it because when you dump it with the fries and the alcohol the porn you don't have much left and so so then you have to