Mike Tyson and Sadhguru: A Conversation on Fear and Toughness

[applause] [applause] Ah, this is so cool. This is pretty awesome. So, I believe Sad Guru would like to start with some chanting. I need to cross my legs and wipe my brains for Jan Mun Now melan Mother Good evening everyone. Good evening. Good evening. That was amazing. Oh man, thank you. The only way out is in. Yes, truly. I believe that. [laughter] I You got a big voice and my microphone is not working. Oh, he just had the great voice. This guy the great voice. [laughter] Great voice. May we begin? How is it? Is your mic okay? As long as it's not about I'm okay. Okay. There it is. There it is. So, tell me, um, what do you think you're here for? What would you think I would want to talk to you about? I'm sure you did research on me, my life, and who I am, and all that stuff, but what would you think I want to talk to you about? What would you think I would want to listen to you for? Toughest guys in the world get beaten by life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You said that was easy, HUH? That was so easy, huh? Wow. All my life I thought I was this tough guy. Even recently, I was talking about if they say something, I'll blow it. But and I and I do all this stuff all my life because I'm afraid. And if you tell me what I'm afraid of, I can't even tell you what. Why am I afraid? I'm [clears throat] successful. I'm you know I had some hard times but I came back but why am I afraid? [clears throat] We need to understand this. So this has been hugely misinterpreted and misunderstood on various dimensions. Whether it's fear or love or anger or joy, we need to understand it's not about something. It's by itself. It is not that there must be something that you must be afraid of. [snorts] It is not that there must be somebody that you are in love with. It is not that you are happy about something or miserable about something. You can be simply miserable. Hello. Thanks. Or uh you can be simply happy. You can simply sit here just by yourself and be very loving. You can sit here and be terrified about nothing. Because human experience is not created from outside. Human experience is happening from within. So what happens from within may sometimes find outside stimulus but you can work it even without external stimulus. Hello all of you are experts aren't you? Without any external stimulus, you can create pain, you can create joy, you can create misery, you can create anger, love, fear, whatever you want because the seat of experiences within you. Only thing is you are not sitting there. You're crawling around it. You're supposed to be sitting there on the seat. If you were sitting on the seat of your experience, you would decide what should be the nature of your experience. Right now, because you're crawling around, something happens accidentally. We find an excuse. It's because of this guy I'm suffering. Even if he's not there, we would find somebody else. Hello. If that guy is not there, we'll find somebody else. If that is not there, we'll find something else. So this is not about something. This is about that you have not taken charge of the seat of your experience. That's all. You just need an excuse. And world will of course the world is quite enthusiastic about providing you the excuses. It will. They will provide lots of excuses. But believe me, if you were alone in the desert, you would still go through all these things without anybody around you, without any threat to your life. Yes. So, so this is the fundamental flaw with life. Instead of fixing myself, I want to fix the whole world. Well, do what you want. You can't even fix one more person absolutely in your life. Hello. 100%. Did you get anybody ever just the way you want? 100%. Did you? Even they're telling me even robotic machines have their own characteristics. They do their own thing. Even if you have a dog these days they do their own thing. Yes. Because you couldn't fix anybody. That's why you try to settle with a dog. But even that guy does his own thing. You can never fix anything outside of you 100%. If at all if you're looking for that kind of success 100% you can only try with this guy. Try anybody else, you will fail. Yes or no? Hello. Try anybody. You will definitely fail. There's only one. This one you could do him 100% the way you want. If you manage this one the way you want. Where is the question of fear, suffering, misery, all this? This is not because of situations. This is because of the state we are in because no investment has been made for the being. First of all, we must decide are we human beings or are we human creatures. The difference between a creature and a being is a creature is a consequence of compulsive reactions to everything around us. That's a creature. A being means you know how to be. If you knew how to be, would you be blessed out or would you make yourself fearful or miserable or what? What's your choice? You must choose. I'm going to bless you. Just definitely highest level of pleasantness, isn't it? For yourself. What you want for your neighbor may be debatable but what you want for yourself is very clear highest level of pleasantness. Why such a simple thing is h not happening? It is not happening because uh you know we gave you a very complex machine peak of evolution on this planet is you. If you were an earthworm, you won't have these problems. Just eating, sleeping, reproducing, dying, you are fine. You're doing great as a creature. But you became human. Now it's a very complex machine. But you don't even bother to read the users manual. Simply somehow you want to do it. Such a complex machine. If you try to do it somehow accidentally. Oh, it will cause much pain. Unable to bear pain. Most people have given up on joy and moving towards pleasure. You must understand this. The need for entertainment and pleasure in the world has increased simply because there's no joy. If really human beings were joyful, they would not need so much entertainment and pleasure in their life. Pleasure becomes a compulsion. When there is no joyfulness and if you don't cause pleasure with something or the other pain is just waiting in the background just there. So fear is not about something. Fear is just your inability to manage your thoughts. They are running away ahead of you. Fear is always about something that's yet to happen, isn't it? Yes. So that means you are suffering something that does not exist. If you suffer something that does not exist, there are medically very bad terms for that. It's not about one human being. It's just literally 99% of the human population is in this condition. Different levels maybe but 99% of the human population is in this condition. They are suffering things which do not exist. What happened 10 years ago they still suffer. What may happen day after tomorrow they already suffer. What happened 10 years ago does not exist right now. What may happen day after tomorrow does not exist right now. But things that don't exist, they suffer simply because two major faculties, two major faculties that you have which sets you apart distinctly from other creatures is you have a very vivid sense of memory and a fantastic sense of imagination. [snorts] These two faculties which are the best things you have, this is what most human beings are suffering. They're suffering their memory and they're suffering their imagination. These are the greatest tools you have. So what should have been the most fantastic well-being? When I say well-being, you know Charles Darwin, that guy, the English guy. Hello. He said all of you were monkeys, not me. He that all of you are monk were monkeys and you became human. So essentially on this planet you are the peak of evolution. You agree with me or no? So if you are the peak of evolution that means uh you have come with the highest level of faculties because there are so many possibilities of being human because your life is not fixed like that of a creature. When I say not fixed like a creature, for every other creature, nature has drawn two lines within which they live and die. The reason why an animal's life looks so much simpler and better [clears throat] is because there are no possibilities. So what human beings are suffering is their possibilities. If you destroy the possibilities, you will also be fine. If you want, we can have a portion of your brain removed. You will be so peaceful. You will not know fear. You will not know suffering. You will not know anxiety. You will not know nothing. [clears throat] Yes. All we have to do is take away the possibilities. With the possibilities, the problems are also gone. So right now, the problem is the fantastic possibilities that have been invested in us. So to take away the possibilities either we can remove your brain or we can so soak it in whiskey. Both ways you can do it. You take away the faculties then you're okay. So the problem is just this that when you're given something so complex, you need to spend a certain amount of time knowing the nature of the machine that you're using. See, some people are h handling these cameras. That's not a spacecraft. It's a simple enough machine. But I'm sure these guys have spent years trying to know it the best. Just any of you get there and do it. What will happen out of it? Just see a simple machine like a camera. Yes or no? Somebody invested their life. The better they know it, the better they use it. Is it so? Hello? Yes. Why is that not true with this? The better you know this, the better you use it. Isn't it? So if you know it really well, people say you're realized. But don't I I think most of us um especially when we come to the level which we're acknowledging of real that we all have the urge to improve ourselves. No, they should not improve themselves. Why? Because there may fear also may improve, misery also may improve is happening to a lot of people. Seeing why did we invent this idea of education? 20 25 years of investment of life. Nearly one/ird of human effective human life is invested in school and college for most people. So tell me, are educated people more joyful and fantastic compared to uneducated people? No, but that's not the only way to improve yourself. I don't only look at that and improving yourself. That's just No, I'm saying that was the idea behind it, isn't it? I don't know. I mean, I was talking about it from far from a human perspective to reac --- ry cell in the body has its own intelligence and memory. Actually, in every cell in your body, there is more memory and more intelligence than your entire brain put together. Even million years ago, how your forefathers were, even their skin tone, your body still remembers, isn't it? So the amount of memory that is there in every cell in your body is far bigger than what you hold in your mind. Even if it comes to the complexity of what every cell the activity that it's performing, your brain is nowhere capable of managing that. So we don't see intelligence or mind as one place the entire body. So this is a body of intelligence because people have gotten trapped in their own thought process. They think intelligence is only here. This entire system is full of intelligence. Isn't it? Do you know how to manage your kidneys? I'm asking you know. Drink a lot of water. No liquor. [laughter] That doesn't solve everything. Oh man, many water drinkers have died too soon. I'm asking the complexity of any one organ. Are you able to manage consciously? No, it is. Why do we believe we can though? Huh? Why do we believe we can? Uh because we are full of [ __ ] Yeah. We're pretty delusional pretty much. Yes. Everything that we do not know, we want to believe. We are still not straight enough to come to this place. What I know, I know. What I do not know, I do not know. Whatever I do not know, I believe. Well, you can bully yourself like this for some time because uh can I tell you a joke? Yeah, please. It's getting too tense here. [laughter] So, this happened. Uh, a bull and a feeasant were grazing upon the field. The bull was chomping on the grass and the the feeasant was picking ticks off the bull. Partnership. There's a huge tree at the edge of the field and the feeasant looked up at the tree very nostalgically and said, "Oh, alas, there was a time I could fly to the topmost branch of the tree. Now I do not have enough strength in my wing even to get to the first branch." The bull very nonchalantly said, "That's no issue. Just eat a little bit of my dung every day. You will get to the topmost branch of the tree within a fortnight." The feeasant said, "Oh, come on. What kind of rubbish is that?" The bulls had really tried and see the whole humanity's on it. [laughter] So the feeasant started pecking at the dung and low on the first day itself he reached the first branch of the tree. Within a fortnight he did hit the topmost branch of the tree. He went and sat there in the topmost branch of the tree just beginning to enjoy the scenery. The old farmer who was rocking on the rocking chair saw a fat old feeasant sitting on top of the tree. He pulled out his shotgun and shot the bird off the tree. The moral of the story is many times even [ __ ] can get you to the top, but it never lets you stay there. So people are trying to bull themselves into well-being [laughter] somehow. Tell yourself funny things and feel good for some time but full of fear. So full of fear. The entire humanity is full of fear because they're flying on [ __ ] Unfortunately, they create all kinds of authorities which will dish out this [ __ ] A time is coming, a very good time is coming where uh human intellect has fired in such a way that anything that is not logically correct, most people cannot digest anymore. Slowly we're getting there. So, a time is coming when truth will be the only authority. Authority can never be the truth in future. So good times are coming. It's just that we must hurry it up so that it happens in our times. Hey, where are you from? [laughter] Well, I don't know. But when I come to United States, every time I stand near the immigration lines, they make me stand in a line which says resident alien. [laughter] Oh man. Now you told me you're from that that town in India where that far from um the Taj Mahal you were telling me earlier about where you from or the town India. Yeah. Oh my it's called today. Yeah. How did you um how did you get on your path? [panting and sighs] I thought I'm in a chair. No. No. How did you get on a path to meeting people like this, like us? How do we get engaged? How how did you start doing this? What made you believe you can do this? Again, you're talking about belief. Let me clear that fast. See, belief means justice. I believe in this or that means I don't know, but I'm bullying you. Why can't I say I don't know? What's the problem? I do not know is a tremendous possibility in human life. If you see I do not know, naturally the longing to know will come. Seeking will come. The possibility of knowing will come. Whatever I do not know, I believe. That means you will never know. You will just go on with your own stuff. So this is why believers always need a flock. But the moment you become a seeker, you become alone because if you are the only person who believes something on this planet that nobody else believes, you will feel like a bloody fool. You need 25 people around you who believe the same thing. Now you'll say, "Hey, all kinds of rubbish." But when once 25 people gather around you and all of you believe the same thing, boo. Confidence without clarity will come. Confidence without clarity is a great disaster that has unfolded upon humanity. It's mainly because of belief systems. Mainly because people have become unwilling to see what I do not know. I do not know what is the problem. So uh in the yogic culture we evolved a method. We always identify with our ignorance never with our knowledge because in this cosmos nobody knows where it begins where it ends. It's a in our perception at least, it's a limitless space. In this space, even if you grind all the libraries on the planet and pour it into your head, still what you know is just a speck in the universe. If you identify with that spec, you will become that speck because whatever you identify, you become that. Isn't it? But our ignorance is boundless. If you identify with your ignorance, you will become boundless. So what I'm doing is not because of my confidence, because of clarity. I don't have any clarity. [laughter] I just know what I want and I see it and I consume it. But I don't look at it from a clarity perspective. I don't look at it from a educational perspective. I just know I have to have that in order to establish my life the way I would want it to be. I don't have no understanding of I just know it has to be possessed by me in order to function the way I would like to function. See uh clarity is on various different levels. Well, you've been in a sport where if you did not see things clearly, you were down licking your own sweat and blood. There was clarity otherwise it wouldn't work. The clarity of why I'm existing, not the clarity of why I'm fighting fighting a child. No, no. I'm I'm just saying clarity is at different levels. Yeah, exactly. I'm saying any sport for that matter without clarity you wouldn't be able to function. So without clarity there is no successful action in anything. Now uh if we are talking about clarity about life itself. Have we paid attention to life first of all? First of all where is life? These days if somebody says my life you will have to see through many things. They may be talking about their dog. They may be talking about their husband and wife. They may be talking about their children. They may be talking about their carrier. They may be talking about their wealth. They may be talking about their car. We don't know whether they may be talking about their property, their home. We don't know what they're talking about when they say my life. So let me make this very clear. You have a body. [snorts] You have a thought process and emotion. But to have all this fundamentally you're alive, isn't it? You're alive with many accessories. But right now the accessories have become larger than the life itself. Once the accessories become more important or significant than life then of course everything is top. If you have to walk on your head it's difficult of course because that's not the way life is designed. If you were designed to walk on your head it would be okay. But you're not designed to walk on your head. You're trying to walk on your head. It's hard. If something happens people suffer. If nothing happens, they will suffer. If they poor, they suffer their poverty. You make them rich, they'll suffer the taxes. They are not educated, they suffer that. Put them to school, endless suffering. Not married, they will suffer that. Get them married. [laughter] I did not say anything. Just tell me one aspect of life that human beings are not suffering. They're suffering every aspect. So offer them death that will also they'll suffer. So suffering is not because of the nature of life. Suffering is because of the complexity of the mind which you did not care to understand. If you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be fine. Hello. Peaceful eco-friendly also because that's a great aspiration in California. The only life which is struggling to be eco-friendly. It's brilliant. Earthworm knows, a grasshopper knows, a lizard and a snake knows how to be eco-friendly. This most evolved creature on the planet is struggling to be eco-friendly. Yes or no? So, uh the problem is complexity of possibilities. Possibilities are the greatest blessing we have. But unfortunately, that's what we are suffering because when something very possible and powerful is given to you, if you don't handle it right, it'll blow up in your face. That's all that's happening. How do you know how to handle it? That's why I'm here. All right. It's It's not that uh it's not that if let me put it this way. If uh because of the number of things that I do across the world, more things are going wrong with my life right now than any of your lives. Okay? Really, too many things. Just I want you to imagine running a foundation where there are over 9 to 11 million volunteers doing all kinds of things. Volunteers means nobody knows what to do, but they're enthusiastic. running major projects like this, running massive centers in various places, over 350 centers across the world. Uh if you want to go mad, this is the recipe for life. But you think I will die of stress or madness? No, I'll not. Maybe I'll die of exhaustion. I don't mind. But of stress, no. I there are many many things. Not everything in your life goes the way yo --- t wheel and sleep on it because if any of you learn how to ride, then my heavenly status will go. But a local brat who good for nothing took this bicycle with single wheel and started riding it all over the place. Now I'm in trouble. This is happening. The Google lady will recite every scripture that you want. We don't know who the hell she is, but she can tell you anything you want. She will tell you the meaning also, interpretations also. Yes or no? So just in many ways in many ways because human beings by themselves did not do it because people did not do it consciously. I think in many ways the technological developments are going to end. A whole level of [snorts] nonsensical things that have been happening just because somebody remembers something, somebody can recite something, they were elevated. All this will go very good times. But in the meantime [clears throat] when one level of [snorts] what we believe collapses and before we attain to clarity there is a danger. One thing that's happening is in the world heavens are collapsing. 100 years ago how many people believed they are going to heaven and today how many people believe they're going to heaven has come down dramatically. Isn't it? So, so is it okay? Good. Yeah, [laughter] real good. This happened. This happened in Alabama while um a Sunday school teacher was going full fire. This Alabama full fire. Unfortunately, the audience were not like you. They were all tiny tots. Catch them young policy. In his rhetoric, he stopped and asked, "What do you have to do to go to heaven?" Little Mary in the front row, she's always in the front row, said, "If I scrub the church floor every Sunday morning, I will go to heaven." Absolutely. Another little girl stood up and said, "If I share 50% of my pocket money with my less privileged friend, I will go to heaven." Correct? Another little boy stood up and said, "If I help those who are in need, I will go to heaven." Correct? Little Tommy in the back bench stood up and said, "You got to die first." That's a qualification. Yeah. You got to die first. So when we die, depending upon your culture, we will either bury you or burn you or cut you and throw you to the birds. Different cultures depending upon which culture you are that they will do. Or in other words, this body is a piece of planet that we gathered slowly. It's good. You put it back. I heard that Americans these days are not putting it back anymore. They're building a concrete grave and an aluminium casket. Even when you're dead, you don't want to be eco-friendly. What is this? At least when we die, we should put this goddamn body back into the soil. Absolutely. That's where it came. That's where it should go. But even that they're not doing, huh? And let the bugs eat it. Some people are planning to take it to Mars. [laughter] Anyway, you left your body here and went to heaven. What is in heaven? You don't you don't you know what's in heaven? You no don't know. Okay, you should know these things in the in the Hindu heaven food is very good. [laughter] Good food. Indians, you know, lives are invested in cooking and eating. In the other place, there are white gown ladies floating around in the clouds. If you like that kind of ambiance, you can go there. In another place you will encounter virgin problems. If that's what you're looking for, that's fine too. Only problem is you went to heaven without a body. What do you do with good food and virgins? I'm asking. [laughter] Hello. These are all problems you have when you have a body. Once you don't have a body, what do you do? Food. If you put it here, it'll fall down. Now if you ask this questions heavens will collapse heavens are collapsing. I think nearly 70% of the heavens in human mind has collapsed in the last 50 years. What do you think? Huh? And anyway let me ask you this. Do you have any proof that you are not already in heaven and making a mess out of it? Do you have any proof? You're already in heaven but making a mess out of it. Tell me if you just change the geography of your existence, will everything about you change? I'm asking you. Hello. If you move from one place to another, you think everything will change? No. If this person, one person changes, everything changes. Doesn't matter where we are. If we raise human consciousness, that is if we teach people how to sit here and be just blessed out. Huh? Look at my eyes. I'm always stoned. I'm not on any of your products, but [laughter] No, you're not. I'm definitely not. But look at me. I'm always because the greatest chemical factory on the planet is here to what extent means per second your body is processing something like 13 I mean 3737 followed by 21 zeros whatever that number is to give you a perspective 11 zeros make a trillion 37 followed by 21 zeros. That many chemical reactions are happening in this body per second. If you knew how to manage this, you can create any kind of experience you want in this. When you have this kind of a sophisticated machine, you are doing things in a caveman like way. This is like we gave you a touchscreen phone, but you are like this. Awesome. What will come out of that? [laughter] You're supposed to do like this, but you are like this. You know what will come out of it? That's all that's happening right now. So there is a way. Today I can proudly say across the world there are millions of people if they close their eyes in the morning tears of ecstasy and love every day in their life. every day millions of people. So it is not an accident that one person obviously it can be done just a little understanding of how human chemistry functions. You don't have to go into chemical analysis of who you are. There are simple processes with which one can do. If one is willing to invest a little bit of time in a day, life will become wonderful. Because by curtailing human faculty, you cannot believe you're enhancing life. Right now, most human beings believe they enhance their life by curtailing human faculties. Like uh you know I was uh I was in my city. I had to meet somebody. So I went into a building. a lady over 70 75 years of age and and uh she's a very petty small woman. She just comes up to me with a big smile on her face. How are you doing? I don't forget faces. I may forget names but I don't forget faces that I see. I just look at her. I don't know her but okay. I respond. I'm doing wonderful. How are you doing? Then I go up after 20 minutes I get off the elevator and I'm just coming. She again comes up to me and with the same full enthusiasm, how are you doing? So wow, this is just 20 minutes ago. Then I respond somehow and then I'm getting into the car. Somebody who was walking with me says, "Poor lady, she's lost her memory. She doesn't remember a thing." I said, "She seems to be doing wonderful. I don't think she was this happy with her memory on [laughter] right now. She's exuberant because she's forgotten everything. [laughter] This is the case with most human beings. Little drink and they forget something. Now they're exuberant. Lowering your faculties and being thinking that I'm well is a serious mistake. This happened One day Sankaran Pai. So he was uh just outside in the marketplace and he met an old friend, a college friend that he had not seen for more than 25 30 years. So they really jammed up and he invited him home and he came home for dinner. When they were sitting for dinner, Sangran Pilai every time he wants to ask something of his wife, he says, "My sweetie pie, my honey, my boo boo, my bulb, my choo choo choo." Like this. After the dinner is over and the chat is over, the friend is leaving, the Senai came to the door to see him off. He said, "You're really having an amazing life. Me and my wife can't even talk to each other properly. Every time you refer to her all this sweetie honey chu boo all this stuff you're really having an amazing life aren't you? Sankran police said are you crazy man 7 years ago I forgot her name. [laughter] Oh no. [laughter] So many people are well only when they lose their faculties because their problem is of evolution. Their problem is just that they got upgraded and they don't know how to handle it. So tell us how many children do you have? H how many children do you have? I know you spoke of a daughter. Mhm. Yeah. We want to know about you. How many children do you have? All right, I won't answer. No [laughter] no, no, you can ask. I have millions of them. Only one is my mistake. Oh no. I like that one. I like that one. I have many, many, many, but only one is my mistake. Okay. Hey, this is really an awesome meeting. I can't believe you're here. You're still in a days. I'm just really happy to have you here with me and my friend Eban. This is really almost like a dream come true. We saw you and we were just um in the stage of just and you know just reading it with enlightenment and we saw your um your story how you became you one day you came and you fainted and you thought you were there for an hour and you were there for like 14 hours. That's my story. That's didn't that happen to you? Yeah. So I thought that I thought that was amazing. And so I stayed I'm a great fan. I stayed following you and then I talking to Evan and I would say Evan you think we ever get him down? You think you'll come down here and talk to us? We never believed you would do it and now you're here. That's just man so mindboggling. [applause] Thank you. So now uh that you asked this question uh how to do the re users manual you know about on 27th of October was the Diwali festival it's a festival of lights in India because people these millions of people have been supporting me particularly for the river moments that I have been doing uh in India 162 million people supported the movement this the largest moment anywhere in the world at any time. So uh with money with volunteering in many ways they've been supporting us. So I thought on the festival day let me offer them a gift and I said uh on the Diwali day if you register in engineering online which normally cost $150 per person I said it's free on this day for you. Whoa. 740,000 people registered. It's cost me a few million dollars now. [laughter] Now, how do you feel about that? How did that make you feel? [snorts] Uh, it's fantastic that so many people were waiting to do it. So, now uh I'm still in the sam --- s, he would like to be riding on the wave. Those who do not know how to ride the wave, they're terrified of it. This is all it is. The instruments of life must be in your hands. If they are in your hands, whatever life throws at you is not your choice. What you make out of it is your choice. This will not come out of scholarship. This will come by turning inward. This is why inner engineering you engineer yourself the way you want yourself to be. I agree. what bothers you and if nothing bothers you, why not? This is Jim Gray right here, sir. By the way [laughter] if you uh will make uh the word bother a little more clear, you mean to say why? What disturbs your peace of mind? Oh, nothing does because I have not given the privilege to anything or anybody that they can decide what happens within me. So, so anything that happens surrounding you or affecting you effectively doesn't bother you because you just don't we don't like what is the fact it's just this as I said just now what life throws at you is not your choice it throws all kinds of things the more active you are more number of things are being thrown at you but what you make out of it within yourself is 100% yours, isn't it? Now, if you are a compulsive reaction to what life throws at you, then everything will bother you. Good things and bad things, everything will bother you. But if you are a conscious response to whatever is thrown at you, you will see everything is a certain challenge. Some we can handle, some we don't know how to handle. Some situations we know how to handle. Some situations we don't know how to handle. So are you a superman that you know how to handle everything? No. This is not about being superhuman. This is about realizing being human is super. So it's not that you know everything and you can handle everything. No, some you can handle, some you cannot handle. But are you a conscious response to life or are you a compulsive reaction to life? This is all you can take care of. Anybody else? This is so cool. I if um with the good with the good work the work that you're doing uh sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the result the desire of what you're trying to do. How do you detach but at the same time help using you been reading Indian stuff? You've been reading Indian stuff. That's why this detachment and all that. Tell me can you experience anything in this world without involvement? If you're not involved, how will you know anything? You cannot experience anything unless there is involvement. The more profound your involvement is, the more profound your experience of life is, isn't it? So where did this detachment come? This is because you got entangled and it hurts. Now somebody told you remain detached. See if you want to really detach from life, you must be dead. That's efficiency. Hello. You know, I was doing a program and this lady stands up to introduce herself and she says her name and I've come from Singapore. In the last 2 years, I committed suicide five times. I said stop. I said at this level of inefficiency, you are not getting anywhere in your life. [laughter] Five times you committed suicide and you're standing here. I don't like [laughter] that. I like efficiency. Hello. Whatever the hell you want to do, at least you must do it well. [laughter] So uh because you got entangled and it hurt you, now you're thinking detachment. No, without involvement, you will not know a damn thing in this life. If you want to detach, the best thing is death. You're detached. Why are you here and trying to be detached? It is just that as I said earlier, your problem is you're trying to experience something which is not yet. That is you are having a mental diarrhea. You're suffering a mental diarrhea and you think you're engaged with future. You're never engaged with future. I want you to understand you're never engaged with past or future. You're just having a mental diarrhea, isn't it? Hello. Right now, can you live what happened yesterday? No. No. In your mind, you can have mental diarrhea and think it is actually happening again. Or can you live what may happen tomorrow? But you can have mental diarrhea and believe that actually you're experiencing it because you don't have a distinction between what is psychological reality and what is existential. This is the problem. You are mistaking your psychological drama to be life. Your psychological drama is not life. Right now unfortunately a whole lot of human beings have gone into this. They misunderstand their thought and emotion as life. No, it's just your thought and emotion. They're supposed to play the way you want, but you are playing the way they want. Just a little out of control. That's all. Don't weave a philosophy out of an ailment. I was thinking when you were saying um oh like on myself like we almost let's just go to another perspective of myself what what what's the image of myself what what should be my illusion of myself no what should be my illusion of myself just as a human being functioning in the world with life what should be my illusion of myself should I be a nothing or should I be glamorous magnanimous powerful what should I be see uh what social qualities we need to exist here. Well, let us not misunderstand that as life. This is just little sense. We are among people, we must be in a certain way. So that it works for you and me. If I do something that works only for me, not for you, you will make sure my life is miserable somehow. Yes or no? Hello. I can trust you on that. Come on. If every day we are transacting about something and I make my transactions in such a way it's only beneficial for me, not for you. Will you make my life miserable or no? Yes, you will. This is the nature of coexistence. So when we are here together it's important we function in such a way that whatever we do it benefits both of us so that this transaction can go on whether it's marketplace or marriage both the parties should benefit otherwise it'll die isn't it? So this do not misunderstand this understanding or this simple sense as human nature. No this is just simple sense. If you are living in the jungle alone, you would live one way. You live with certain number of people, you live another way. You live with a large number of people, you live completely different way. This is just simple sense of adapting to the existence we are. So do not understand this as the nature of your life. No, this is just sense. Some people figure it out early, some people figure it out later, but this is just sense. Well, thank you. Thank you so much, Sad Guru. Um, we're out of time. Out of time. Out of time. Uh, but I want to thank you guys again so much for coming. Thank you, Sad Guru, and your incredible team. [applause] Uh I would like to say it's wonderful to be here. I watched Mike fight way back and uh this may sound a little off but at that time uh there were no televisions in India. We used to get 8 mm films to play on the wall, project on the wall. So uh this would go cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut like that you know he was fighting like this this this this this [laughter] so in somebody's house we were sitting and watching we had watched lots of boxing matches at that time because I was a this I shouldn't tell you I was in my school boxing team Really? Wow. You struck the one before. [laughter] Uh so uh so on that day when I watched probably the first first time when you won the heavyweight when we saw that and uh much debate was going on I said uh well this guy could rule the boxing ring if he only maintains his balance because I saw a talent which I'm I was just watching your interview today which I think you're uh that wonderful man who took you up and transformed a street brat into your champion. Yes, he did. Yes, [laughter] he did. He did. So, he saw the talent too, I'm sure. And that's why he invested himself. It's fantastic. It's just this every human being many things are hidden within every human being. Not everybody unfortunately gets the situational opportunities to shine. It's happened wonderfully in your life. Well, other things have happened though you came up with utmost disadvantage. You turned that into a phenomenal advantage in some way. But I hope the next part of your life will be more enlightening and more contributing to everybody's life because whatever talents we have, whatever intelligence we have, whatever capabilities we have, they will find maximum benefit to ourselves and to everybody above all balance. If that one thing is there, everything else will find expression. If you lose that one thing, our talents and our capabilities unfortunately will turn against us. Right now, human beings are only suffering their own intelligence. If they had no brains, they would be fine. They are suffering their own intelligence simply because there is no balance. It is time that all of us in some way bring balance to ourselves and to the world around us so that human genius really flows without too much struggle. Right now to find expression to human genius people are going through enormous struggle and slowly people are believing that unless you struggle it won't come out. No, it can be done very joyfully, wonderfully, blissfully if only balance is created. So let's invest in this that this generation and the coming generations are far more balanced within themselves. If this one thing happens, you will see an incredible generation coming up. Let's all be a part of making that happen. Considering being born in an extreme disadvantage and how you turned it into what you did at the age of 20 being a world champion happened in spite of all the disadvantages. So uh all of us together should invest in making this happen for many many more of the next generation. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] Thank you.